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Ryan Antenucci

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Hello! My name is Ryan and I am an undergraduate studying product design. For our semester long design project we were asked to choose a category of products and work with consumers of those products to address key issues and work to understand what could be improved. I chose to focus on outdoor gear and am really excited about the oppurtunity to learn what products can be improved, added to, or completely re-designed in this space. I am hoping to address serious consumers of outdoor products that are using their gear in extreme environments and conditions in order to get the most reliable information on the needs of these products. I am an outdoor enthusiast and have gotten into spearfishing and that is a huge area of interest for this project. I was wondering if you would be willing to share with me what gear you absolutely love, hate, or think could be improved on. If you have constant issues with certain gear or find using it to be frustrating and have ideas of what would need to be changed to make it more suited to its job, I’d love to know! I really want to design based on exactly what you need, so the more information you can share about how you use the product and the needs you have for it, the better. I would really appreciate it if you’d be willing to help me out with this project and I am eager to hear any insights you are willing to share! Thank you!
 

Mr. X

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Welcome Ryan.

Carbon fibre speargun barrels
I love my superlight, super-slim, rail-less, 25mm carbon fibre barrelled spearguns (Omer XXVs) They are so light and easy to carry and use.

I've modified the factory configuration to use an open muzzle, single bulk rubber and Dyneema wishbone. This makes it simpler, lighter, quieter and cheaper/easier to maintain.

The nearest current model seems to be the Cayman Carbone. It adds the desirable Cayman reverse-trigger mech (rather than the impressively slim T10 mechanism) but the 25mm carbon barrel includes a rail - more weight and drag but perhaps useful for longer barrels (100cm+) where it adds stiffness and support to the spear.
 

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Hello! My name is Ryan and I am an undergraduate studying product design. For our semester long design project we were asked to choose a category of products and work with consumers of those products to address key issues and work to understand what could be improved. I chose to focus on outdoor gear and am really excited about the oppurtunity to learn what products can be improved, added to, or completely re-designed in this space. I am hoping to address serious consumers of outdoor products that are using their gear in extreme environments and conditions in order to get the most reliable information on the needs of these products. I am an outdoor enthusiast and have gotten into spearfishing and that is a huge area of interest for this project. I was wondering if you would be willing to share with me what gear you absolutely love, hate, or think could be improved on. If you have constant issues with certain gear or find using it to be frustrating and have ideas of what would need to be changed to make it more suited to its job, I’d love to know! I really want to design based on exactly what you need, so the more information you can share about how you use the product and the needs you have for it, the better. I would really appreciate it if you’d be willing to help me out with this project and I am eager to hear any insights you are willing to share! Thank you!
Hi Ryan,

One area to look at, snorkels. Mass marketing has produced a wide variety of bad snorkels. Not much research into what makes a good one. Farallon's snorkel was the best I've ever used and would make a good start toward a modern design. There is a market for a good one, but I suspect its small. When you can find'em, Farallons in good condition go for as much as $100 on ebay.
 
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Ryan Antenucci

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Welcome Ryan.

Carbon fibre speargun barrels
I love my superlight, super-slim, rail-less, 25mm carbon fibre barrelled spearguns (Omer XXVs) They are so light and easy to carry and use.

I've modified the factory configuration to use an open muzzle, single bulk rubber and Dyneema wishbone. This makes it simpler, lighter, quieter and cheaper/easier to maintain.

The nearest current model seems to be the Cayman Carbone. It adds the desirable Cayman reverse-trigger mech (rather than the impressively slim T10 mechanism) but the 25mm carbon barrel includes a rail - more weight and drag but perhaps useful for longer barrels (100cm+) where it adds stiffness and support to the spear.
Okay thats very interesting, I definitely need to do some research on those different models. Were the modifications fairly costly?
 
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Ryan Antenucci

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Hi Ryan,

One area to look at, snorkels. Mass marketing has produced a wide variety of bad snorkels. Not much research into what makes a good one. Farallon's snorkel was the best I've ever used and would make a good start toward a modern design. There is a market for a good one, but I suspect its small. When you can find'em, Farallons in good condition go for as much as $100 on ebay.
I 100% agree on this, they are bulky and uncomfortable. Do you have problems mainly with the look or functionality? It may be my paranoia but whenever I have to clear mine I feel like I may be scaring away potential fish. I'll look into Farallons and see what they have done to make it better but I would be curious to know why people pay so much for them. Are there any other problems specific to the snorkel design and use that are especially annoying like clearing, tilting, bulk, or anything else that you may have noticed?
 

cdavis

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Serious divers value functionality. Most care less about look. The Farallon has a very large barrel and no purge valve. It takes a bit to learn how to clear it. Otherwise, the barrel can be adjusted to fit your head, the mouthpiece can be customized to your bite and the general shape of the snorkel puts it close to and behind the head, minimizing drag. Most snorkels get impossible when towing. The Farallon never gives a problem. Divers pay for it because it is by far the best they ever used. One negative, the seals that are used in the adjustable joints begin to leak after a lot of use. Eventually, mine failed because I could no longer stop the leaks.

I think the advantages of adjustability, custom mouthpiece, and close fit combine to create a snorkel that you don't know you are wearing. Far less jaw strain and drag than most snorkels and better than the copies I now use.
 
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Ryan Antenucci

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Feb 3, 2020
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Serious divers value functionality. Most care less about look. The Farallon has a very large barrel and no purge valve. It takes a bit to learn how to clear it. Otherwise, the barrel can be adjusted to fit your head, the mouthpiece can be customized to your bite and the general shape of the snorkel puts it close to and behind the head, minimizing drag. Most snorkels get impossible when towing. The Farallon never gives a problem. Divers pay for it because it is by far the best they ever used. One negative, the seals that are used in the adjustable joints begin to leak after a lot of use. Eventually, mine failed because I could no longer stop the leaks.

I think the advantages of adjustability, custom mouthpiece, and close fit combine to create a snorkel that you don't know you are wearing. Far less jaw strain and drag than most snorkels and better than the copies I now use.
Very helpful insights, I really appreciate you spending the time to respond and go through all of the features. Ill definitely keep your insights in mind while designing and hopefully create something that maximizing those features. I'll let you know what I come up with! Thanks - Ryan
 

Mr. X

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I bought half a dozen simple J-shaped snorkels, no valves or dry tops, a couple of years ago after loosing my favourite snorkel, a Typhoon from the 1970s. I tried 3 or 4 of them. One large bore snorkel, a Cressi I think, that looked promising just wasn't pleasant to use, noisy and didn't clear properly and was too short. Two other snorkels performed almost as well as the Typhoon, one was a Cressi, the other an Omer Zoom. Once I tried the Omer Zoom though, I decided to stick with it. It is good enough.

Most simple J's work but some work better than others. Personal size probably plays a part too. Being fairly large, I find that snorkels that seem to come mainly out of Italy and Taiwan are just too small for my big ol' head. I actually extended a couple of snorkels more than an inch using electrician's tape; handy as too many snorkels now come without a hi-viz tip marker - quite dangerous.
 
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