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Thanks. It looks like a pen & ink/watercolor up close. All natural lighting.
There were quite a few rainbow trout around that day. I saw three that were quite large.... Also quite cautious. Took some serious stalking to even get in photo distance of them.

Looking forward to that hogfish vid :) The shark in the other one is awesome!
 
I received my Ikelite housing a week ago or so for my Canon S80. Do not buy this housing!!!!

Unless you are certain you will never use the manual controls to adjust things such as focus, aperature, shutter speed, and much else controllable through the S80 wheel/button control on the back of the camera. Functionality that is ok is, zoom and shutter release (taking the picture). So, if you know you will never want to get the most out of your camera and will always use automatic settings, this housing may give you the benefit of going beyond 40m. Otherwise, even though it employs the amazing Ikelite standards in locking mechanisms, nice shutter release controls, and durability, this housing is absolutely disfunctional.

I have never dealt with Ikelite before and was appalled by the customer service I received over the last couple months on various interests and concerns. That involved a total of four personnel. In the end they have agreed to take back the housing, but it seemed like a huge deal and definately far from customer satisfaction comes first. They persisted to give repeated robotic responses such as, "We want to give access to all the features, therefore sometimes the buttons have to be close." This response came no matter what I said, specifically not making sense when I was saying, "There is no means of hitting those buttons while holding the camera trying to line up a shot, because you have put big knobby buttons in the way and nestled the buttons deep on the opposite side of them. Also, you gave access to the wheel on the back with the big knob but it duals as a button. If you are controlling the wheel you will regularly inadvertently trigger the button and vice-versa." I emphasized that it does not work and can not work, yet the robotic response remained that this was justified by the requirement to have all features. Well, excuse me but if you put controls in a manner that you can not control the features, then is that not the equivalent to not having the buttons? The response didn't seem to comprehend that.

Canon overcame these problems because they were aware that you do not require the wheel to change values. Instead there is a combo button sequence (one button held while pressing the left and right button equating to wheel clockwise and counter-clockwise).

It is really a shame, because other than this housings specific layout of controls, I see that the product is exceptional in other regards. I was planning on sticking with them for a video housing. But the customer service interaction was really a challenge to remain sympathetic for them.
 
The Canon housing is actually pretty nice. The close buttons are different heights - and the print/l/r button combo is doable even while aiming - though challenging. It is only good to 40m though - which may not be enough for you :)
I didn't consider the Ikelite because it didn't look Like it would do anything this one wouldn't - and because it seemed relatively bulky. Too bad - I allways thought Ikelite was pretty much top of the line.
 
I've never been impressed with Ikelite housings - they always seemed unprofessional in their construction. Reality is though, there isn't much else for P/S cameras...
 
I also dove alot with my little Casio housing. For a 'tag-along' camera while spearfishing or whatever this is a pretty nice rig - and the Casios have very fast focus. Really small - I often just let it hang on my wrist or tucked it into my weight vest. The Canon housing is a bit bigger - but still not bad.

The Canon s80 does have some pre-programmable modes that are available by turning the little knob on the side - this works out pretty well for diving.
 
Bummer Tyler. I'm glad (in the end) they took it back. I opted out of the ikelite from the word go because it was too bulky. Streamlining was one of the biggest reasons I ditched my good ol' c5050. The canon housing is pretty good, but not fool-proof. I neglected my o-ring too long while on vacation, and got a bit of condensation. No actual drops of water, but a bit scary nonetheless. Keep that baby clean! The housing for my olympus has a bomb-proof double o-ring system. The canon housing only has one o-ring. It also has a small burp valve that could potentially leak. Proper maintenance in a must with this one.
 
Ok, seems there has been a bit of a miscommunication at some point in the process of trying to resolve my issues with the housing. Supposedly, the last person I was told to speak to was intending to help see if there was anything that could be done to assist me. Nobody made it clear that an option might be to modify the housing. Upon returning the housing to the shop I purchased it from, showing him the issues, and explaining how it could have been done better, he informed me that the customer service person was intending to see about this possibility. However, on the phone all she said to me was that they had to supply the full features and in the end asked me what I wanted to do. I had mentioned to her that canon did it differently because the wheel was not essential, but she had not responded with any possibility of modifying things.

In the end, they are going to get back to me and inform me whether the engineers can replace the bulky knob with a push button. At that point all my issues would be solved and I would be pleased with the housing, I believe. So, it seems the intended customer service was there, just they assumed that their intentions would be obvious even without stating them.

To return the housing will cost me $115 not sure if that is USD or CAD. So, hopefully something gets worked out.
 
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Very interesting thread thank you.

I've been looking at buying a high end compact & housing for a while now. Although I spearfish I'd love to take the odd shot, and my partner is a very good photographer, it would be a good reason to get her in the water more frequently.

I'd pretty much decided on a Sony, but am now drifting towards a Cannon S8 - after hearing your thoughts I've done additional research, and the reviews etc sound very good.

Quick question: which of the 2 compatable (cannon) housing models have you used for the S8, and have you bought housing weights?

Cheers.
 
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I'm using the canon housing - WPDC1 for the s80 and have added no weights. Sample pictures are at the telegraph cove site in my sig. I'm still learning to use it however - no doubt it can do even better than what I've done so far. The Ikelite housing will be a little larger.

The Canon is alot of camera and takes great pictures - and movies.

If you want something really small - that you can hang off your wrist while spearing - the Casio exz57 is a great choice. It focuses very quickly - faster than the canon. Most of the images in my site below under 'freedive pics of my environs' were taken with it - down to where it says 'new camera' after that I'm using the s80.
 
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Thanks Fondueset.

I've had a good look through your pics over the last few months - some great stuff there.
 
As a follow-up on my interactions with Ikelite, they informed the retailer I purchased the housing from that they will not modify the housing, after telling him the engineers would look into it and saying they were going to do the modification further to that. The modification is extremely simple and only requires exchanging a push button for a knob they have on the back. It may have required shifting the placement of the hole. So, they seemed to just not be interested in the end. That ends future dealings with them for me. It was a nasty experience for something very simple.
 
I think I just found my next camera, which means I'll have to start selling off my other stuff after this weekend. ;)

It's the new 10 megapixel casio with improved video functions that they just came out with- and have a very tiny housing for! It may not have the wide angle lens of my current set-up, but it is so small that having it mounted on my speargun won't be much of an issue. :)

Here's the camera: http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_reviews/ex-z1000.html

Here's the housing: http://digideep.com/english/underwater/photo/housing/Casio/EWC-80/8/2529


Jon
 
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I'll look forward to seeing how that little bugger performs. I'm curious re: the difference between "640 x 480 (HQ), 640 x 480 (Normal)" video. I see that casio has followed Olympus' lead, and removed the optical viewfinder in order to enlarge the LCD. I think that's a good thing, so long as the LCD can still be seen in the sun.

Remember, sell the camera components individually ;).

...and I see that the price has gone UP on the S80 since I bought it a few months ago. That's got to be a good sign.

FYI, Newegg is still the reigning champ for the best price on that 4GB 150x Transcend SD card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820163159. Still no 8GB available.
 
If that one focuses as quickly as the exz57 it will be awesome underwater! It looks to be the same size. What would be nice is a shade for the lcd screen on the back. Even with the big lcd I still found glare to be a problem - the 2.5 lcd on my canon is actually easier to use simply because of the shade.

Many of the shots I took with my Casio were just point and shoot - with no lag for focus. I did try an exz600 and found it to focus much more slowly than the exz57 - but this may have been a defective camera. The housings are so small you can clip them off to a belt or let them hang off your wrist while spearing or doing other things. I did sometimes have trouble with the shutter button becoming difficult to push - particularly in cold water - but also if it got gunked up with algae or something - I see they've fixed that with a lever than should allow for much steadier shooting in gener.
 
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Folks
planing to buy Power shot Canon A610 in this week
cos' price cost/performance is cost :D it is 227€
and any who used this camere underwater .,
have any pictore to add here(underwater picture or vid)?
sory my bloody english i hope you understood what i meantrofl
 
Sedate,

I bought a Canon 620 and corresponding underwater case to be used as my work camera. While it clearly feels "cheaper" than my Powershot S80 - and it should, as it costs 1/2 as much - it does take nice photos. The A-series comes up short compared to more expensive digital cameras when it comes to the [small] LCD display and overall quality of the construction. You need to take care when exchanging batteries and attaching the camera to a computer. The plastics and limited metals used to make the case components are brittle and weak. But, as I said, the camera DOES take very nice photos considering the price range. It is a good bang-for-the-buck piece of equipment. However, the underwater case costs the same as all the rest, so after you buy the storage card, rechargable batteries w/charger, and the case, you start to lose the cost-saving ratio.

Here's what I mean:
Powershot A610 = $210
Powershot S80 = $450

So, A610 is 53% less expensive.

But, after adding all the other stuff...
Powershot A610 = $210 + $100 card + $180 uw case + $30 batteries & charger = $520
Powershot S80 = $450 + $100 card + $180 uw case + free battery and charger = $730
* So, now the A610 setup is only 28% less expensive. And, in my opinion, loses its "bang-for-the-buck" appeal when compared to more expensive cameras.

....and my wife thinks I over-analyze things too much....pffff.
 
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i think you have a good info about cameras...i wlll use only video capture...i will never use it for photo capture..i find out all video says in feature is 640x480..let say if i buy A4304mp is will be same video capture of A610 and A430 has a water case? it is i mean A430 is 140€ is cheaper 2x than A610(300€)..if it is same i can buy a430 ..regards
menawhile A430 slim case than A610
A610 specifications
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/camera/specification/1035/show.html
A430 specifications
http://www.letsgodigital.org/tr/camera/specification/1230/show.html

i do care only video but what parameters makes video capture , did not solved, think that i buy a camera, should have water case, let say it never takes a picture , takes only video,, it is ok and i have to insert 2gb memory card into it, if posible
 
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I decided to go with the Fuji Finepix F30. It just seemed the best all around compromise. It's "only" 6 mpix, but sports so many other impressive features, that I'm willing to accept that...And not too expensive either! No 1024x768 video though, which I have to admit is appealing...

Haven't received yet, but at least the specs and reviews are promising
 
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jome
asked a freind about canon ...he said it records 30sec+30sec like sliced videos in memory.
sony records endless ....
fuji records endless? did you asked sellers?
i mean till memory stick fill
 
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