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Huge news at CMAS Apnea Commissioin
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Trux, are you suggesting we should add the discipline ****-diving for combined CMAS-AIDA competitions?
(Yes, I censored the very offending word myself. I can not corrupt the pure and fragile souls of the delicate and uninitiated on this forum.:mute)
Sound like the position 69 rofl
btw current CMAS rules does not disqualify an athlete for no dropping marker but penalizes only. In now days Stig can have medal for dive in Arhus.
What's why some athletes do not drop 100 g marker before surfacing. Punching to a judge with the marker will be much harder. :t
btw current CMAS rules does not disqualify an athlete for no dropping marker but penalizes only. In now days Stig can have medal for dive in Arhus.
Yeap these days CMAS only gives penalties for not dropping the marker, so Stig will got a silver I think if penalty is only 10m. Actually in my book Stig is silver medalist from that WCh, he got a nice clean dive to 238m and that is a fact. This is why i push to do more then 238m not just more then 223 that was second length under CMAS.
I think AIDA should adopt the principle of percussive validation for their surface protocol. Let's face it, contact sports get way more press.
I'm less confident about the CMAS requirement that the judge levitate (alone) after each performance. It would make the judging course much more difficult to pass, for a start.
I'm less confident about the CMAS requirement that the judge levitate (alone) after each performance. It would make the judging course much more difficult to pass, for a start.
Trux, i'd maybe reconsider how you mix the two logos, ahumm.....[/quote]
Oh thank god, I thought I was the only one. Good to see we'll both be in therapy together.
CMAS surface protocol may look idiotic, or maybe it's not that is just looking... but CMAS protocol is by no means easier then AIDA's. Or by any means inferior one, if we look at the row porpoise of the protocol.
We have a free diving class on Croatian sport college, and I am a demonstrator there teaching them how to dive (pool diving only for now), and I put together 99% of AIDA stuff, from disciplines, rules, starting procedure, surface protocol, safety and all the rest... Even to me CMAS often look alien and idiotic, but there is no reason to be disrespectable. Even more now when CMAS is becoming more and more professional and serious as a organization.
We have a free diving class on Croatian sport college, and I am a demonstrator there teaching them how to dive (pool diving only for now), and I put together 99% of AIDA stuff, from disciplines, rules, starting procedure, surface protocol, safety and all the rest... Even to me CMAS often look alien and idiotic, but there is no reason to be disrespectable. Even more now when CMAS is becoming more and more professional and serious as a organization.
Goran, this isn't really about CMAS per se. If AIDA wrote: "[the judge] also follows the athlete at the next 15 (fifteen) seconds standing by himself on the water" I'd be having a laugh at them too.
I'd be a bit upset if I'd just done a record dive, only for a judge to steal the show by walking on water.
Clearly just a translation issue - but surely they know somebody who speaks English. These are supposed to be the formal rules of an international sporting organisation, for goodness sake!
I'd be a bit upset if I'd just done a record dive, only for a judge to steal the show by walking on water.
Clearly just a translation issue - but surely they know somebody who speaks English. These are supposed to be the formal rules of an international sporting organisation, for goodness sake!
Well I did not realize that there are levitation in the official CMAS rules lool, to be honest I don't read them, this being one of the reasons among the others...
And of course they don't speak English, on big events we have an "expert" translator, one of Italian athletes lool, that alone is worth of attending
And of course they don't speak English, on big events we have an "expert" translator, one of Italian athletes lool, that alone is worth of attending
Lol - Dave I really hope I can get this image out of my head by the next time I do a comp otherwise I'll be laughing in anticipation before I even come up!
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OK, OK, you puritans! Here you have a politically correct logo:
Ain't they lovely? rofl
Hey Trux,
i think you're going to have to resize that little AIDA man or he's going to have a hell of a hard time satisfying the big CMAS girl...
in all seriousness (what a stupid thing of me to say), do you guys think that CMAS is in the right direction with their new steps in apnea comps ? could it be that they regain their long lost credibility in the sport ?
last but not least, i had a look on their site for freediving education/courses but found nothing. only scuba stuff. where should i be looking ?
last but not least, i had a look on their site for freediving education/courses but found nothing. only scuba stuff. where should i be looking ?
It is a mammoth organization, so it won't be an easy and a quick process. Until now the central CMAS has no education material, but many of the national branches have. I am not sure whether the international CMAS will want to manage this part centrally too. Currently they don't have any staff for it, so I doubt it will happen any soon. I think we cannot expect much from the international CMAS, but it is an excellent opportunity for better cooperation of CMAS and AIDA on the national levels. In some countries it already worked pretty well before too, but without the ban on non-CMAS competitors, and with all those new disciplines approved, the national CMAS branches need the know-how, and the athletes, so they naturally reach towards their national AIDA organisation.
That's exactly what happened in the Czech Republic, and what I describe in the article mentioned above. Everyone will profit from it - CMAS gains the know-how, the athletes, and AIDA the material and perhaps financial support. And freedivers will have more opportunities to compete, and especially much better conditions to train (CMAS scuba clubs are numerous, with easy access to pools, while freedivers struggle to get some lanes).
That's exactly what happened in the Czech Republic, and what I describe in the article mentioned above. Everyone will profit from it - CMAS gains the know-how, the athletes, and AIDA the material and perhaps financial support. And freedivers will have more opportunities to compete, and especially much better conditions to train (CMAS scuba clubs are numerous, with easy access to pools, while freedivers struggle to get some lanes).
Dear Friends,
I have just seen your talks on the forum, and let me tell you a few words; What I believe that to comparison of CMAS with AIDA is not good. AIDA is doing good things on their area. CMAS is totally different. CMAS organisations are official government organizations where AIDA is not. so the number of participants MIGHT be less the AIDA in CMAS because it is expected to be so and limited to be so.
Also the rules and the control of the performance like WADA certified doping control seems to be different from each other.
anyway, it is nice that there are good organizations in the world of apnea. and I believe that all are doing good.
cheers.
Levent UCUZAL
I have just seen your talks on the forum, and let me tell you a few words; What I believe that to comparison of CMAS with AIDA is not good. AIDA is doing good things on their area. CMAS is totally different. CMAS organisations are official government organizations where AIDA is not. so the number of participants MIGHT be less the AIDA in CMAS because it is expected to be so and limited to be so.
Also the rules and the control of the performance like WADA certified doping control seems to be different from each other.
anyway, it is nice that there are good organizations in the world of apnea. and I believe that all are doing good.
cheers.
Levent UCUZAL
Hello Levent,
Thank you for peeking in! I do not think that the difference between AIDA and CMAS is that big. OK, there are not so many competitors with an international CMAS licence, but alone in FFESSM (French CMAS) or in FIPSAS (Italian CMAS) there are possibly more freedivers in each, than in the whole AIDA worldwide. It is only because CMAS does not organize any other international competitions than the World Games, European Championship, and the Panamerican Games.
Also the WADA certified doping control is pretty identical under both federations, so in fact I see no real barriers between the two organizations.
And fortunately several organizers have already shown that even mixed competitions are possibe. The Europe Evolution Cup in Italy was similar to the joint WC in Aarhus - two paralel competitions side by side in the same pool, but still more or less isolated. The Marseille Indoors went a step further, and competitors started mixed in the same pool without any separation at all. I hope we will see more and more such competitions, and I also hope CMAS will start organixing more international events, and that they will invite AIDA competitors too.
Thank you for peeking in! I do not think that the difference between AIDA and CMAS is that big. OK, there are not so many competitors with an international CMAS licence, but alone in FFESSM (French CMAS) or in FIPSAS (Italian CMAS) there are possibly more freedivers in each, than in the whole AIDA worldwide. It is only because CMAS does not organize any other international competitions than the World Games, European Championship, and the Panamerican Games.
Also the WADA certified doping control is pretty identical under both federations, so in fact I see no real barriers between the two organizations.
And fortunately several organizers have already shown that even mixed competitions are possibe. The Europe Evolution Cup in Italy was similar to the joint WC in Aarhus - two paralel competitions side by side in the same pool, but still more or less isolated. The Marseille Indoors went a step further, and competitors started mixed in the same pool without any separation at all. I hope we will see more and more such competitions, and I also hope CMAS will start organixing more international events, and that they will invite AIDA competitors too.
Dear Trux,
all that you say is correct and I agree with you with an exception that even the national competitions can be (and some already) announced as OPEN. So the competitions in CMAS is not only the ones WC, EUC or Zonal.
This year in Tenerife we also add static with DYN and JB. Also there will be individual record attempts in October and November for CW, VW and Free Immersion.
anyway both are going quite well and I hope that helps the apnea world.
cheers.
all that you say is correct and I agree with you with an exception that even the national competitions can be (and some already) announced as OPEN. So the competitions in CMAS is not only the ones WC, EUC or Zonal.
This year in Tenerife we also add static with DYN and JB. Also there will be individual record attempts in October and November for CW, VW and Free Immersion.
anyway both are going quite well and I hope that helps the apnea world.
cheers.