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Lavacore instead of wetsuit for 77F 25C water?

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jimqpublic

Love snorkeling in warm water.
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I will be going to Maui, Hawaii in January and want to be comfortable in the water. I mostly snorkel on the surface with dives to the reef from 10 to 30 feet (10m) depth.

I just returned from a trip and was a bit cool after an hour in the water on cloudy days or when in bays with cold-water springs. I was fine on sunny days. January water temperature is predicted to be about 3 degrees cooler at 77F (25C). I wore board shorts, a 1.5mm neoprene T-shirt, and a long sleeve hooded lycra rashguard. I would rather not add more buoyancy since I'm diving so shallow. I want long sleeves and a hood for sun protection.

I recently learned about Lavacore and Sharkskin garments. They use a fleece lining inside a stretchy water resistant membrane. The idea is the fleece holds water in place, the membrane keeps flushing to a minimum. Since they don't have foam, they are neutral buoyancy. Claims of warmth are equivalent to a 2-3 mm wetsuit which would be great for my use.

We tend to try out different beaches, go to town for lunch, etc. so having an insulating top over board shorts is a lot more convenient than a full wetsuit.

Any experience with these types of garments?
 
I remembered having a discussion on the same topic with someone a couple of years ago so backtracked to dig this one out but hope it helps.
 
I have a lavacore hooded top. It is pretty nice, but nowhere near as warm as my 3mm open cell top. If ill be in for a couple hour waters, I can get by with the lavacore, especially on a sunny day. If I'm going more than 2 hours, Ill wear the wetsuit top, if im going all day, ill wear the pants too. I would say 77 is a bit borderline. and I wouldnt expect the lavacore to be too much different in warmth from the 1.5 you have.
 
Follow up to my original post.

I found a Lavacore hooded jacket for a great price on e-bay. I've used it on one trip to Hawaii Island and one to Aruba. I think most of the pros and cons I read are pretty accurate. Unfortunately I think it's a lot better for surface snorkeling or scuba diving than freediving.

Pros:
  • Goes on easily and is very comfortable. It is a stretchy fleece lined softshell fabric.
  • When wet still goes on pretty easily.
  • Very soft and flexible- no restriction to turning my head unlike a neoprene hood.
  • About equal in warmth to my 2 mm shirt worn with separate Lavacore hood.
  • Due to the fleece lining, no issues with ear squeeze.
  • Can be used under or over a neoprene suit for added warmth.
  • Clings fairly well and if water does get in it doesn't slosh around.
  • When dry, lighter and less fragile for packing than a neoprene wetsuit.
  • Neutral buoyancy and doesn't compress at depth. This would be a benefit for SCUBA.
Cons:
  • Since the design results in the fleece lining filling with water, the warmth definitely has a limit.
  • When floating on the surface under the hot tropical sun it doesn't warm up as much as black neoprene.
  • When wet it's incredibly heavy. I don't know if that has much effect on swim or dive effort. It holds so much water that I use a dry bag to carry it after diving even though I squeeze the water out.
  • Seems to loosen up during the dive. After an hour or so if I'm swimming or diving with arms outstretched water wants to flow in the sleeve.
  • If used under an open-cell neoprene suit it would probably not add any warmth due to the water moving about. Over may work- I'll try that soon.
  • To dry for travel I roll it up in a towel and press on it to transfer most of the water to the towel, then hang it overnight. Otherwise it will still be pretty wet.
  • The biggest con (for freediving)- Neutral buoyancy. It took me using this to realize just how important the flotation of a neoprene wetsuit is.
I love my Lavacore hood. I'm tempted to buy some of their shorts if I can find a good price. But for even shallow reef freediving I want a neoprene top at the minimum for the buoyancy.
 

  • The biggest con (for freediving)- Neutral buoyancy. It took me using this to realize just how important the flotation of a neoprene wetsuit is.
Interesting. I think neutral buoyancy would be a big plus for me free diving. I live in California where wet suits are a must, but over 30 years ago I took a trip to Mexico when water temp was over 80F and I could dive wearing just a rash guard, and I thought it was really nice to be able to stop at any depth where the fish were and not be overweighted or underweighted. In California with the thick wet suit I have to pick a neutral depth to hunt, and if a stray far above or below that depth I'm struggling.

Of course buoyancy does change just with chest compression, but the change is minor compared with a 6 mm wet suit.
 
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Hi « jimqpublic »
I practice a mix of "Snorkeling / Apnea", mainly in the Red Sea (28°C or 82 °F end Oct. 2023), and sometimes in the Maldives and Indonesia (Raja Ampat).
I film wildlife up to 10…18 m. (33’…60’).
I wear a “Scubapro profile 0.5 mm” wetsuit ( https://ww2.scubapro.com/en-GB/HKG/divewear/wetsuits/products/profile-05mm.aspx) with a separate hood.
With a 2…3 kg weight belt (my neutral buoyancy is close to 12 m (40’).
I do « partial empty lungs » to film in shallow depths.
If I was cold I plan to wear a T-shirt under the wetsuit (I have never had to use it).