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looking for assistance with Frenzel...

espresso

espresso

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I'm surprised there aren't more threads about this. Just took our certification class last weekend. Had a great time, wonderful instructors. Not a lot of time was spent of learning the frenzel EQ. I've done a significant amount of scuba in the past too all recreational depths without issue using the standard EQ techniques.


I've watched numerous videos on youtube, downloaded a few things. Still having issues with it. I purchased one of those baloon tools and have begun using it. So far i'm not entirely certain how to measure my progress with it. There's no one to talk to about these sort of things out there, I can't find any freediving facebook groups. Anyone have a moment to speak with me? could be phone, PM, etc. I'm located in Treasure Coast, Florida.


Mark
 
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musubi

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I'm surprised there aren't more threads about this. Just took our certification class last weekend. Had a great time, wonderful instructors. Not a lot of time was spent of learning the frenzel EQ. I've done a significant amount of scuba in the past too all recreational depths without issue using the standard EQ techniques.


I've watched numerous videos on youtube, downloaded a few things. Still having issues with it. I purchased one of those baloon tools and have begun using it. So far i'm not entirely certain how to measure my progress with it. There's no one to talk to about these sort of things out there, I can't find any freediving facebook groups. Anyone have a moment to speak with me? could be phone, PM, etc. I'm located in Treasure Coast, Florida.


Mark
It's not a technique I employ much at all since most of my dives are 110 ft or less for spearfishing. I noticed when I had to go beyond 120 ft, I couldn't rely on the Valsalva anymore. This became apparent during my Level II certification class.

One trick that's worked for me doing the Frenzel maneuver is to nod your head, like you're trying to touch your chin to your throat/chest. Do this while having that little pocket of air in your mouth and moving it to the back, near the throat. That movement helps piston the air into my ears to equalize. It took some practice before I was able to perform it at depth. My instructor at the time mentioned he did this as well in helping perform this maneuver.

There's only a few ways that come to mind in testing this out. One is to consciously block the lung air from your throat and perform the maneuver. Another is to do negative pressure dives (shallow of course), reverse pack, and try to clear your ears. And another is to just descend to depth and see if you can do it.
Not sure if that helps, but it's what I've done in the past.
 
espresso

espresso

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May 31, 2016
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It's not a technique I employ much at all since most of my dives are 110 ft or less for spearfishing. I noticed when I had to go beyond 120 ft, I couldn't rely on the Valsalva anymore. This became apparent during my Level II certification class.

One trick that's worked for me doing the Frenzel maneuver is to nod your head, like you're trying to touch your chin to your throat/chest. Do this while having that little pocket of air in your mouth and moving it to the back, near the throat. That movement helps piston the air into my ears to equalize. It took some practice before I was able to perform it at depth. My instructor at the time mentioned he did this as well in helping perform this maneuver.

There's only a few ways that come to mind in testing this out. One is to consciously block the lung air from your throat and perform the maneuver. Another is to do negative pressure dives (shallow of course), reverse pack, and try to clear your ears. And another is to just descend to depth and see if you can do it.
Not sure if that helps, but it's what I've done in the past.
I'm open to any suggestions at this point. Can you elaborate on what "reverse pack" is
 
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musubi

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I'm open to any suggestions at this point. Can you elaborate on what "reverse pack" is
Reverse packing is a technique used to draw air into the mouth when you're down to only your Residual Volume in your lungs. Some people call it a "Grouper Call" because it doing the technique produces a sound. When you're doing negative pressure dives, you're starting out with you exhaling as much air as you can. Then going to depth, even more so you won't be able to bring air out into your mouth without reverse packing.
 
espresso

espresso

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thanks, i don't think i'll be at depths requiring that anytime soon
Reverse packing is a technique used to draw air into the mouth when you're down to only your Residual Volume in your lungs. Some people call it a "Grouper Call" because it doing the technique produces a sound. When you're doing negative pressure dives, you're starting out with you exhaling as much air as you can. Then going to depth, even more so you won't be able to bring air out into your mouth without reverse packing.
 
ImmersionFD

ImmersionFD

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I'm surprised there aren't more threads about this. Just took our certification class last weekend. Had a great time, wonderful instructors. Not a lot of time was spent of learning the frenzel EQ. I've done a significant amount of scuba in the past too all recreational depths without issue using the standard EQ techniques.


I've watched numerous videos on youtube, downloaded a few things. Still having issues with it. I purchased one of those baloon tools and have begun using it. So far i'm not entirely certain how to measure my progress with it. There's no one to talk to about these sort of things out there, I can't find any freediving facebook groups. Anyone have a moment to speak with me? could be phone, PM, etc. I'm located in Treasure Coast, Florida.


Mark
I've taught over a thousand people how to frezel, I've been teaching freediving since 2008.
I've created an online course that teaches my step by step method of learning frenzel.
According to the survey it has a 92% success rate, and I offer a 30 day money back guartnne. If you don't learn the technique I'll give you a refund.


Take a look @ https://immersionfreediving.teachable.com/p/road-map-to-frenzel
 
espresso

espresso

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May 31, 2016
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I've taught over a thousand people how to frezel, I've been teaching freediving since 2008.
I've created an online course that teaches my step by step method of learning frenzel.
According to the survey it has a 92% success rate, and I offer a 30 day money back guartnne. If you don't learn the technique I'll give you a refund.


Take a look @ https://immersionfreediving.teachable.com/p/road-map-to-frenzel
as luck would have it, I appear to have figured it out. once I got it I practiced it many times. got some ear pain in one ear later in the day. it's declined but has persisted for two days now. Doesn't appear to be an infection. no hearing changes, no equilibrium problems, no fluid in the ear... no idea what i did. does not hurt if i equalize. very strange. anyone know what this might be?
 
Alex 1

Alex 1

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I knew exactly what frenzel is, what is open, what is closed, what muscles are used etc., but could not do it. Then I stumbled upon this video and started doing frenzel after watching it.

 
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