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Marine Conservation Zones

Thread Status: Hello , There was no answer in this thread for more than 90 days.
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Whilst we are on the subject of fish sizes: I was down at the Southern Fisheries offices in Poole the other day, trying to get hold of a scallop measuring gauge. They only had the old style ones in imperial measurements (which were a lot bigger than the 100mm ones you need now, by the way). I did pick up a free lobster/crab measurer, but looks like I'm gonna have to make the scallop one myself. I'm gonna approach some kind of machining/engineering firm to knock one up for me at 101mm (1mm over the legal size, just to be safe). If anyone else is interested, or can recommend a company for me to go to, then please feel free to drop me a line.

Regards,

Gaz
 
I'll be in for one if you can get them made.


No problem mate, although 100mm is the local legal size in Dorset. Not sure what it is around Plymouth, but if it is 100mm too then of course I'll forward you one on.

When I spoke to the fisheries people in Poole, they said that the only reason they didn't have any to give away in the current size limit was because they couldn't find a firm that would both make them and guarantee them (because of the obvious legal ramifications if a smaller scallop managed to slip through). I've given them the details of a precision engineering firm in Scotland that makes them (not sure of price, but likely to be fairly expensive) and they said that they would investigate and maybe put in an order (in which case they will be giving them away for free). In the meantime I'm gonna get my own made.

Maybe the local Devon fisheries people are handing them out too?
 
I like the triangular ones. Lobster one side, spider second side and third side has brown crab with scallop inside that. Spider also has a second notch to allow for the deeper shell. I've had the ali ones but I made my own from sheet plastic (2mm HIP) and it's still going strong after at least 10 years.

Dave.
 
I have always used the palm of my hand as a quick measuring system. With my palm facing up the measurement from the base of my index finger across to the bottom of my palm is 110mm with my gloves on. If any scallop is bigger than this it's a keeper. The same size it's a keeper. Can't be sure it goes back.

Simples:)
 
A mate of mine has a legal sized shell, with a hole drilled in it, attached to a length of cord, attached to his gear, which he uses to measure scallops for legality.
 
This is the shape I favour. Going by memory here as mine is on the boat. By making your own you can set any size you like i.e. 1cm over minimum legal size if you want. Plastic, stainless steel or ali works well but cutting one from plywood would work as well.

Dave.
 

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Cheers OMD,

A picture paints a thousand words (they way you described it earlier made it sound, to my little tiny brain, as though it was beyond the realms of science).

If I end up making one of those I might just put some sharp edges on the points, so that it doubles as throwing star I can use against jet-skiers!

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That's cool OMD, perhaps we should get some mass produced, along with the Carrageen wetsuit lube I suggested on another threed recently - we've got the start of a product line! ;)
 
I've just registered on that 'Finding Sanctuary' site, but nothing is being sent through to my email account in order to activate it - how long did it take everyone else for this to arrive in their inbox?


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I did the same. Nothing has come through yet.:confused:


It's come through for me now mate (the next day), but you are gonna need a degree in IT to work out how to map your areas properly.

It looks to me as though once you have mapped an area, you can only choose one fish, from a list, for that area (unless you go through the whole process again). Because I hunt both bass and mullet (amongst others) I am putting grey mullet down as my target, to spread the love around the species a bit - I wouldn't want these people to get the idea that we are all out to exterminate the inshore bass populations.
 
Afternoon chaps,

I have just joined the forum to keep you in the loop about all things Finding Sanctuary.

I was contact by a member of the forum who had attended one of our interview evenings and suggested that I post future days on here and perhaps a general thread with information about Marine Conservation Zones, how they are being planned and how Spear fishers can get involved.

Dave T has been doing the rounds for us, not only spreading the word and representing your views on our Regional Steering Group – who will in fact be recommending Marine Conservation Zones to government in June 2011 - but also interviewing spear fishers around the region using our specially made base maps. If you wanted him to map where you spear, then please contact him. He has given me permission to give out his details to spear fishers, so if you want to email him, please do so here.

Dave (above) has kindly offered to make this thread a sticky so that all spear fishers will be able to see it.

Having read through all of your posts I’d like to clarify a few things:

Marine Conservation Zones are currently being planned by four different regional projects. They are:
o Finding Sanctuary – the south-west
o Balanced Seas – south-east
o Net Gain – North Sea
o Irish Sea Marine Conservation Zones – covering the Irish Sea for English waters

Each project will be recommending sites for their area, which will then be formed into a national network by Natural England and the Joint Nature Conservation Committee and then sent to the Minister (Environment) to be signed off. Each site will then be implemented along with any agreed upon management measures via byelaws by the Inshore Fisheries and Conservation Authorities (what were the Sea Fisheries Committees, but to include a conservation remit).

The aim of the projects is to plan sites that minimise the impacts to sea users whilst still meeting the conservation goals that we have been set. There will be cases where a feature (species, habitat, etc) only exists in one place and irrespective of the activities that go on there, will need protection. The level of protection recommended for that site however, will be relating to activities that are incompatible with it. This will depend on what is being protected: in some areas this may only mean a short seasonal closure to one or two activities; in others this may be all activities are restricted.

Our online mapping tool is due to be rolled out for the rest of England to include all four regional projects (at present it hasn’t been decided if you will be able to draw in Welsh waters, but I will let you know when I find out) at the beginning of May 2010. This will mean that you will be able to map all of the places you go for the entire country, instead of having to do it for each project. I am told by the web people at this end that it will be much simpler to use. If you are having problems at the moment, please do get in contact.

I hate to break it to you but on the Finding Sanctuary "Feedback" page one of their officials appears to have revealed the punchline...

From: Feedback » Get Involved » Finding Sanctuary

"Natural England is currently consulting on proposed Special Areas of Conservation (SACs) in the south-west – these are specific sites to be designated under European legislation. There is an official consultation on their website identifying site boundaries. It is important to note that for SACs site selection boundaries must be based completely on scientific evidence (i.e.socio-economic factors cannot be taken into consideration)."

So, if socio-economic factors cannot be taken into consideration, and SAC boundaries must be determined completely on scientific evidence, what is the point of the public consultations and intelligence gathering which yields socio-economic data, statistics, indicators, and stakeholder information?

Spearfishing and other recreational activities, as well as commercial activities, are socio-economic by virtue of the way we are defined as "stakeholders".

I cannot see how our information, opinion or data counts for anything in the face of scientific evidence and opinion. THIS is what concerns me about this process. The (arbitrary) interpretation of scientific evidence will, it appears, be the last word.

To clarify this, we are not Natural England, although they have one of 40 seats on our Steering Group. The following sentence you would have read on our feedback pages says:

“The Finding Sanctuary project is responsible for developing recommendations for Marine Conservation Zones (MCZs), a new designation introduced through the Marine and Coastal Access Act.”

The process for planning Marine Conservation Zones is very different from that being used by Natural England to plan SACs, although both types of site will make up parts of the UK MPA network. If you want more info on this, please email me using the address at the bottom and I will happily email you a fact sheet about the different types of MPAs in the UK.

What this doesn’t highlight is that, with MCZs socio-economics will be taken into account. In fact a young chap called Rupert has just joined the team as our in house economist. He will be writing an Economic Impact Assessment for the sites that the Steering Group propose, which will involve looking at how sites impact on a local level and also on any displacement of activities caused by the designation of any MCZs.

I hope this goes some way to answering some of the questions and concerns that have been raised on here.

If you have any other questions, please post on here and I will try to get back to you as soon as possible, although as we now post on over 100 forums as well as everything else, this may take a few days, so bear with me.

Kind regards,
 
Sarah, welcome and thanks for the post.
OK then chaps now we all know what’s happening from the top, so here’s your chance to maybe post a reasonable question to somebody that hopefully will have the correct answer.
Please keep it sensible and above all civil.
Carry on gents.:)
 
Hello Sarah, welcome to db.
Firstly thank you for your post, it's always good to have a direct line to the powers-that-be, secondly we're not all chaps on here, though most of us are.
I was wondering if you could give us some indication as to how the information gathered relates to the proposed level of protection for a given site.
Does it work something like, a bass nursery= no take zone, environmentally sensitive sea bed= no bottom trawling but recreational use allowed? Just guessing here to try and get some idea of what might be involved.
My knowledge of marine reserves in the UK is limited to scuba diving around Lundy, undeniably a conservation success. Is there a proposed number of such similar sites, and if so, do we know where they are to be sited?
I'm afraid there might be a certain duality (read hypocrisy) to our posts, you see we want to protect the marine enviroment we love so much and conserve the fish stocks, but also continue our favourite pastime of spearfishing.
Any light you can shed on this matter would be appreciated.

Regards,
dave.
 
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