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Hi Guy's I'm quite new here been a commercial diver for years but just done my freediving course .
Just wondering what is the best way to achieve your best time .I have been doing co2 tables at a 2min hold 2min break and reducing by 15secs each time until I get to a 30second break then I have a 2 min break and thats when I ho for my max .I find the first 2 min hold quite difficult then the rest as relatively easy .best max is now 4min 25secs .Just wondering if this is the bedt way to go .Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks .
Greg
 
Hi Greg, Welcome to Deeperblue!

When it comes to statics, you'll find that when you holds are getting past 4-5 minutes your preparation breath-holds will decrease, until you do your max hold without any 'warm-up' breath-holds.

At the moment you're doing the Co2 tables (Table A). As you get more accustomed to the sensations and learn to relax better, deeper, and retain it better, you may want to gradually increase the base time of 2'.
Now you're reaching 4+ minutes, O2 tables (Table B) will come into view. With this table the goal is to learn to deal with low O2. It may look like this: 2'hold - 2'rest - 2'30"hold - 2'rest - 3'hold-2'rest -3'30"hold
For this example I used 30s increments, You can use 15'as well.

One word of warning, be hydrated, rested and have an able buddy.
Another word of warning, keep an eye on recovery in between training sessions, it's easy to overtrain in freediving.

Love, Courage and Water,

Kars
 
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[quotthanks for e="Kars, post: 925944, member: 2199"]Hi Greg, Welcome to Deeperblue!

When it comes to statics, you'll find that when you holds are getting past 4-5 minutes your preparation breath-holds will decrease, until you do your max hold without any 'warm-up' breath-holds.

At the moment you're doing the Co2 tables (Table A). As you get more accustomed to the sensations and learn to relax better, deeper, and retain it better, you may want to gradually increase the base time of 2'.
Now you're reaching 4+ minutes, O2 tables (Table B) will come into view. With this table the goal is to learn to deal with low O2. It may look like this: 2'hold - 2'rest - 2'30"hold - 2'rest - 3'hold-2'rest -3'30"hold
For this example I used 30s increments, You can use 15'as well.

One word of warning, be hydrated, rested and have an able buddy.
Another word of warning, keep an eye on recovery in between training sessions, it's easy to overtrain in freediving.

Love, Courage and Water,

Kars[/quote]
Many thanks for your reply Kars .
I'm sure I won't be over training .lol I maybe do two a week .I did however go for a freedive last Friday and I am terrible .I think the longest I got was one min .I was getting contractions at about 30 seconds .Do you think it would be a good idea to focus on dynamic swims ?
It must have a lot to do with the 6 inches between your ears .
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Greg
 
Thanks Greg, indeed much of these things is about the head.
To enjoy breathless diving you need confidence and the ability to forget about analysing.

To facilitate this you need to be weighted correctly, know your limits and abilities.
Do you have a buddy?
If you do you can safely go past some contractions, do a nice Co2 schedule etc.
If you're alone, it's is impossible to explore one's abilities and limits.
A thing you can do however is to limit your dive to your first contraction, without hyperventilation (!).
This is the easy comfort zone. Your challenge becomes, "how far can I get comfortably".
You'll need to learn to relax all your muscles, streamlining, breath and hr control, swim efficiency.

When I start my water session, I usually do some muscle warm up swims. Free stroke, back crawl are excellent to warm and loosen up all the body parts.
Now test your weighting in the pool, us a deepish exhale, followed by a slow (~7 counts is fine) belly and chest inhale, and gently push of at the shallow end of the pool and see weather you float up or sink. If you got extra weights correct your buoyancy to be neutral. If you do not have weights, then you need to reduce the amount of air in your lungs.

Once you've found this, lets' go for a swim.
I like to experiment, and often deliberately go extra fast / slow in order to learn the upper and lower limits of my technique and materials.
So just play with all the variables, propulsion, streamlining, stiff - loose etc.
After a short while you'll find something that works reasonably well.
You can see how far you get until you first contraction, when you do have that, slowly come up to side of pool (swim next to the wall).

Now some mental trick.
When you swim focus on feeling the water flowing over your skin. You can trust you subconscious to do the technique, you just focus on feeling the water and enjoying it. It helps to keep the eyes nearly closed (less distractions and input to consume your brain computing cycles). This trick works because it helps to stop judging and estimating where we are and where we may get. It helps to keep the mind in the moment, and enjoy that more.

Remember to limit your self to the first contraction, and do not hyperventilate (Breath more volume of air then you naturally do).
 
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Thanks so much again Kars.
I do have a buddy and when I'm home doing static in the pool my wife is with me .
Great tips for me there .I'm at work for the next month offshore .So I will just be practices on dry static .I'm a Sat Diver so will be breathing a high ppo2 .Do you think this will aid or hinder my training ?
Regards Greg.
Thanks Greg, indeed much of these things is about the head.
To enjoy breathless diving you need confidence and the ability to forget about analysing.

To facilitate this you need to be weighted correctly, know your limits and abilities.
Do you have a buddy?
If you do you can safely go past some contractions, do a nice Co2 schedule etc.
If you're alone, it's is impossible to explore one's abilities and limits.
A thing you can do however is to limit your dive to your first contraction, without hyperventilation (!).
This is the easy comfort zone. Your challenge becomes, "how far can I get comfortably".
You'll need to learn to relax all your muscles, streamlining, breath and hr control, swim efficiency.

When I start my water session, I usually do some muscle warm up swims. Free stroke, back crawl are excellent to warm and loosen up all the body parts.
Now test your weighting in the pool, us a deepish exhale, followed by a slow (~7 counts is fine) belly and chest inhale, and gently push of at the shallow end of the pool and see weather you float up or sink. If you got extra weights correct your buoyancy to be neutral. If you do not have weights, then you need to reduce the amount of air in your lungs.

Once you've found this, lets' go for a swim.
I like to experiment, and often deliberately go extra fast / slow in order to learn the upper and lower limits of my technique and materials.
So just play with all the variables, propulsion, streamlining, stiff - loose etc.
After a short while you'll find something that works reasonably well.
You can see how far you get until you first contraction, when you do have that, slowly come up to side of pool (swim next to the wall).

Now some mental trick.
When you swim focus on feeling the water flowing over your skin. You can trust you subconscious to do the technique, you just focus on feeling the water and enjoying it. It helps to keep the eyes nearly closed (less distractions and input to consume your brain computing cycles). This trick works because it helps to stop judging and estimating where we are and where we may get. It helps to keep the mind in the moment, and enjoy that more.

Remember to limit your self to the first contraction, and do not hyperventilate (Breath more volume of air then you naturally do).
a
 
After learning how to deeply relax the body, and reduce the metabolism, the training is mostly mental.
But having High ppo2 may help with faster recovery.
Other then that I have no idea.
Be very careful with the commercial sat diving stuff, it is very easy to damage oneself and burning your body up in a few years, so I've heard.
Off shore you may have some time to work on flexibility and conditioning of the muscles involved in freediving. You probably can do hands free equalisation, but it cannot hurt to improve and expend those. Eat and sleep well, but I think you already have a great level of discipline being a sat diver!

How deep do you work?
You must watch Le Grand Blue (The Big Blue) the long version, it also features your work as well as great freediving.

I think it's very cool that I've been much deeper without tanks then with, it feels a kind of surreal.
 
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Thanks again Kars .
I still can't hands free equalize after all these years I can when we blow down but thats slow rate 1m per min .The deepest I've been was in Vietnam 187msw and I could see the boat on the surface .Think the decompression was like 51/2 days from that depth .so plenty of time to do exercises and learn to relax .Just wished I'd started years ago .
I have a goal to get to 20m and be able to stay long enough to shoot a fish .
Greg.

After learning how to deeply relax the body, and reduce the metabolism, the training is mostly mental.
But having High ppo2 may help with faster recovery.
Other then that I have no idea.
Be very careful with the commercial sat diving stuff, it is very easy to damage oneself and burning your body up in a few years, so I've heard.
Off shore you may have some time to work on flexibility and conditioning of the muscles involved in freediving. You probably can do hands free equalisation, but it cannot hurt to improve and expend those. Eat and sleep well, but I think you already have a great level of discipline being a sat diver!

How deep do you work?
You must watch Le Grand Blue (The Big Blue) the long version, it also features your work as well as great freediving.

I think it's very cool that I've been much deeper without tanks then with, it feels a kind of surreal.
 
I found msw related to scuba as meters sea water but i really don't know what that mean. If is the depth, i think was a technical dive for shure.
 
wow, seeing nearly 200m up??? incredible! - definitely beyond my imagination. The clearest what I've seen was in Sharm, about 25m. It was like swimming true glass, it was surreal.
 
Incredible visibility, but we must not forget that looking from the bottom up to the surface, the visibility is better than looking down from the surface, even the distance is the same ... Even so 187m visibility?
Uau!!!
 
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