Belgian Patrick Musimu and Brazilian Karol Meyer did a new tandem record in No Limits - 121m
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Musimu & Meyer - new tandem NLT record 121m
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For what it is worth, my opinion: Shark Freediving Patrick & Karol Set New Tandem No Limits Record – Do We Care?
Do I detect a lack of freediving community spirit there Jorg? Why the attempt to dampen the event? In the spirit of freediving its a great achievement! AIDA is not the be all and end all of all freediving records. (if they were, then David Blaine would be disappointed and so would all the holders of O2 static records or do we ignore those records too?
)What makes a tandem record "official or not official"? It is recognized by those who achieved it, witnessed it and participated in it. It also sounds like a lot of fun. Patrick was over here doing tandem dives with the guys in Abu Dhabi and they said it was awesome, something to be repeated.
Perhaps, "don't knock it till you've tried it?" And if you have tried it and don't think its worthwhile it doesn't take the feeling of success felt from two people who worked hard to achieve it.
Congrats Patrick and Karol!
I did Tandem NL and it's great! (even with another guy )
The difficulty with tandem is that it's hard to keep equalising with the speed the sled is going, and one person controls the break. So if the other misses an equalisation than you'll have to bail out and abort.
Yep with tandem a whole range of challenges add to the difficulty.
Question did Meyer use cavity flooding for equalisation?
)The difficulty with tandem is that it's hard to keep equalising with the speed the sled is going, and one person controls the break. So if the other misses an equalisation than you'll have to bail out and abort.
Yep with tandem a whole range of challenges add to the difficulty.
Question did Meyer use cavity flooding for equalisation?
This has nothing to do with community spirit. Exactly the opposite. In my opinion I just don't like inventing new disciplines like this. It was the same with Stig his O2 record. That is not freediving! That's 'sport on steroids' so to speak and has nothing to do with athleticism.Do I detect a lack of freediving community spirit there Jorg? Why the attempt to dampen the event? In the spirit of freediving its a great achievement! AIDA is not the be all and end all of all freediving records. (if they were, then David Blaine would be disappointed and so would all the holders of O2 static records or do we ignore those records too?
What makes a tandem record "official or not official"? It is recognized by those who achieved it, witnessed it and participated in it. It also sounds like a lot of fun. Patrick was over here doing tandem dives with the guys in Abu Dhabi and they said it was awesome, something to be repeated.
Perhaps, "don't knock it till you've tried it?" And if you have tried it and don't think its worthwhile it doesn't take the feeling of success felt from two people who worked hard to achieve it.
Congrats Patrick and Karol!
I think the same about new world records done outside competition, or disciplines that don't belong in competitions (variable and no limits). Yes, it is fun and exciting to follow! I agree! But we shouldn't compare these results with real freediving competitions at all. It's all just a 'trick' and a circus act.
And I did a week long of Tandem dives, together with Loic leferme and some other dutch guys. One of the best freediving memories I have! Again, fun to do, but I would be ashamed if I would have called it a dutch national record
And in the end, it is just my opinion about the whole fact and I still applaud both the athletes about their entrepreneurial and athletic skills about the whole project.
Tandem NLT is fun. I have done it also in 3's and 4's (hey is that a world record?).
But to call WR a NLT dive of 121m when both women and men do much more, is merely a media stunt. Let Patrick and Karol have their attempt to catch media and sponsors. I don't think many freedivers are especially impressed.
But to call WR a NLT dive of 121m when both women and men do much more, is merely a media stunt. Let Patrick and Karol have their attempt to catch media and sponsors. I don't think many freedivers are especially impressed.
Patrick has just sent me a link to a Yutube video of his tandem NLT record with Karol. The full version will be aired on the US History Channel and on the Sky Sport Channel shortly, so watch the program schedules if you have access to those channels. There is the teaser here, and I can tell that it is probably the nicest video of a No Limits dive I ever saw. The joy is pouring out of it:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOyA2YNPhg4]YouTube - Patrick Musimu & Karol Meyer - The story of a record[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOyA2YNPhg4]YouTube - Patrick Musimu & Karol Meyer - The story of a record[/ame]
I'm with Kars on this one.
And to compare the O2 record with the use of steroids is completely wrong.
The use of steroids is normally done in secret to have an advantage at the other competitors. In this case the use of O2 is part of the game.
In my opinion both of them are separate disciplines.
Jouke
And to compare the O2 record with the use of steroids is completely wrong.
The use of steroids is normally done in secret to have an advantage at the other competitors. In this case the use of O2 is part of the game.
In my opinion both of them are separate disciplines.
Jouke
Maybe, but what if all sorts of sports introduced new diciplines where you would be allowed to use steriods? The diciplines would be incomparable to their its predecessors, but one can understand why people might not like these disciplines...
To begin with:We need to stop comparing the use of pure oxygen and steroids, it is really not the same.
Indeed you can not compare what Stig did it with a regular static, but it's the same with constant weight with fins or without.
Two different disciplines..
In iceskating we have the groupchase (free translation from Dutch).
In tennis we have double mixed.
Both sports originally done solo.
So why not in freediving?
Isn't it a normal way for any sport to evolve?
Don't we need to keep a open mind?
Jouke van Riel
Indeed you can not compare what Stig did it with a regular static, but it's the same with constant weight with fins or without.
Two different disciplines..
In iceskating we have the groupchase (free translation from Dutch).
In tennis we have double mixed.
Both sports originally done solo.
So why not in freediving?
Isn't it a normal way for any sport to evolve?
Don't we need to keep a open mind?
Jouke van Riel
Jouke, I like your point about not comparing drug use to using pure O2 during a 100% O2 static. For me drug use to enhance performance is a whole different level of danger your serving your body.
Maybe in the future we'll have a "no-limit's" category in some sports such as body building, allowing all help, except for implants to be 'the best looking' or strongest.
But somehow I don't see many freedivers take part in those categories.
No Limit's is a real challenge, and doing a tandem makes it much harder.
It does look easier than it is. Just consider the slower sled speed, equalisation harmonisation, and trust you need to have in your buddy. Getting married may feel easy after such endeavour
LOL
From the video I got the impression that if they had some more time and a faster sled they could have gone at least 25m deeper. A tandem 150 is really something in my book.
The 120 feels to me more like an inspiring training result.
BTW if you got the chance to do a tandem sled dive,take it, it's really cool to share the experience in the deep
Maybe in the future we'll have a "no-limit's" category in some sports such as body building, allowing all help, except for implants to be 'the best looking' or strongest.
But somehow I don't see many freedivers take part in those categories.
No Limit's is a real challenge, and doing a tandem makes it much harder.
It does look easier than it is. Just consider the slower sled speed, equalisation harmonisation, and trust you need to have in your buddy. Getting married may feel easy after such endeavour
LOLFrom the video I got the impression that if they had some more time and a faster sled they could have gone at least 25m deeper. A tandem 150 is really something in my book.
The 120 feels to me more like an inspiring training result.
BTW if you got the chance to do a tandem sled dive,take it, it's really cool to share the experience in the deep