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Nylon Thermic Pile vs Open cell inside

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Svedberg

Wannabe freediver
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We are 3 friends who are about to order our first 3 suits, and im wondering wich of those 2 insides are warmest.
 
Opencell is MUCH warmer than pile.

Jon
 
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Jon said:
Opencell is MUCH warmer than pile.

Jon
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Thanks Jon



Another question, instead of long-john pants how thick vest should be sufficient to reach the same "warmthlevel" if using waist high pants.
And do you put the vest under or over the suit? (7.5mm suit/pants)
 
I'm not sure what kind of suit you're comparing it to. There is no way to compare a freediving suit to a scuba suit because the freediving suit will be so much warmer- even if the suit is thinner.

I use a 6mm suit with high waist pants. I bought a 3mm vest to go with it, but have never used it with my 6mm suit- only with my 3mm suit in the spring. My hig wasit pant 6mm suit is warm enough to spend a couple of hours in the ice with.

Jon
 
a tip and maybe answer at the same time: long john pants are worthless warmth wise if the upper long john part is nylon lined, effectively keeping the opencell off your chest and torso.

i spent 1 year cold in a 7mm Cressi ultraspan before realizing. Secret is: have the open cell in contact with your entire body.
 
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Thanks for the answers Im not comparing it to a scuba suit.

What im probably getting atm(bet il change my mind a few times more) is
(elios description)
Suit 7,5mm Open cell inside / Kanoko superstretch Black outside NeopreneHeiwa soft density Price 276,00 (include knee pads) this is a ultra stretchneoprene, very warmth, aderent to the body and also very very durable withkanoko antitears lining outside, but for get into must use always talkum orwater-soap.

+ a 2-3mm vest just in case, i want to be able to stay in for 2-3 hours in very cold water.


Any idea how boyant this suit will be? (how many kgs of lead i need)
 
Very bouyant and very warm.

If you put all that rubber on you should stay warm except for two important areas- hands and feet. I can, easily, get away with a 5mm instead of my 6mm becuase hands and feet always get cold first. I wear 3-finger 5mm mitts on my hands and 5mm socks on my feet. The only way I've found to get around the cold hand's and feet is to swim nofins. It really limits my depth, when wearing all that rubber, but I stay warm(er).

Another option I've used for my hands, but are really quite bulky, are the dry gloves made by DUI. They have latex wrist seals on them and you can wear them with a wetsuit. Your hands will stay dry and they even have fleece liners on the inside. That being said, these are not deep (free)diving gloves and are so bulky i can't work the controls on my cmaera with them on.

Jon
 
Interesting, what makes the differance using 5mm socks with fins and without?
 
Pressure point from the fin pockets. Som fins are worse than others. Monofin pockets tend to fit so tight you can't get more than a 3mm in them- at the most. Some bi-fin's pockets are large, and wide, and can fit larger socks in them with ease- like the Esclapez/Imerson pokcets. The best pockets i;ve found so far, for both warmth and comfort, are the Mustang pockets form C$.

Jon
 
Ah didnt think some pressure would remove so much heat. Guess im out of luck then since a 2mm sock is pretty much what i can get into my beuchat size 48 pockets.

Thanks for all the answers, im pretty clear on what suit i should get now.
 
Esclapez/Imersion makes an openheel footpocket long blad efin in an XL. I use them for scuba diving with a drysuit on. They won't bethe most efficent fin around but, you'll be much warmer.

If you really are going to dive in 2mm socks I'd say you're 7.5mm suit is overkill. Ther's no way you're going to be able to stay in the water long enough to get the benefit of all that extra rubber. You wouldn't need any mor than a 5mm becaus your feet will still freez out before anything else.

Jon
 
The only thing I'd change, Svedberg, would be the rubber- I use a Heiwa medium density 7mm in the same conditions you are in, and it's fine. If you don't dive deeper than 20 metres then the soft Heiwa should be fine, but do consider that the softer it is, the more it compresses at depth. But of course it will be very pliable.

As Jon said, hands and/or feet will be the limiting factor for time in the water once you've got a 5mm+ on. My feet go numb and they don't bother me, but my hands are the first part to get cold and end my day in the water. I have used dry gloves for the most part, but have had good success this year with a well-sealed 5mm Beauchat glove.
 
Erik,

What gloves are you using these days?

I use the dry gloves when things get really nasty out, but normally wear some Elios3-finger mitts with silver coated lining on the inside.

I used to use 3-finger Picasso mitts with the double seals, but my trigger finger freezes out pretty fast and they are now wicked expensive.



Jon
 
I can't remember Jon, and they are packed away for winter. Jim sold them to me, they are 5mm with a double seal- best wet gloves ever.
 
Those are gloves. We normally use 3-finger mitts. I only us gloves in the summer timer around here.

Jon
 
Jon said:
Those are gloves. We normally use 3-finger mitts. I only us gloves in the summer timer around here.

Jon
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Well he said he was using some GLOVES that he thought was very good

I found some 6mm mitts tho that seem nice, just goto try if i can fit my 5mm socks in my fins.
 
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Those Beauchat gloves you posted are indeed what I have, and they are really very good. And I am a big wimp when it comes to getting cold hands- I think I was the first freediver ever to wear dry gloves haha.
 
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