omer rail

[phuketfreediver]

hi all
please can anyone tell me if the omer add on rail will fit onto a beuchat carbon competion.I have changed the sling to a g20 and put a rockwell 6.75 spear. I know everyone uses jbl rails, but it is a problem for me to get here. Thx

 

[Marwan]

it should fit yes, but you have to remove the current shaft guide on your barrel if there is one..
i like th eomer stick on rails better than the integrated ones, the stick ons are much less noisy and dont get scratched

 

[phuketfreediver]

wow that was quick.thanks alot a friend is coming out from spain in a month i can get him to bring some shopping with him. thx

 

[azapa]

it should fit yes, but you have to remove the current shaft guide on your barrel if there is one..
i like th eomer stick on rails better than the integrated ones, the stick ons are much less noisy and dont get scratched

thats an interesting opinion Marwan. I have the Cayman with integrated, and it seems to be getting quieter as it beds in. I had even thought to use some valve grinding compound and "lap" it in by hand????

I will try a dynema wishbone soon as I think a lot of the sound is really from that.

I can say though, without doubt: guides are very accurate!
I would never shoot another band gun without one.

 

[ulysses]

hi all
please can anyone tell me if the omer add on rail will fit onto a beuchat carbon competion.I have changed the sling to a g20 and put a rockwell 6.75 spear. I know everyone uses jbl rails, but it is a problem for me to get here. Thx

Actually, the omer add on rail will NOT fit. The problem is that integrated shaft guide of the Beuchat handle and muzzle is too high and, hence, the shaft is not in contact with the rail. Tested on Beuchat elite carbon.

Cheers

 

[Magpie]

Lift the rail up a bit with some layers of tape along the barrel maybe? Just an idea.

 

[Farang Shao Ley]

Actually, the omer add on rail will NOT fit. The problem is that integrated shaft guide of the Beuchat handle and muzzle is too high and, hence, the shaft is not in contact with the rail. Tested on Beuchat elite carbon.

Cheers

On a beuchat mundial about 1 mm, but better then no rail I think.
I allways hit the target with my 1m.
On my 1,10m I worked down the muzzle and handle a bit with a file, looks better:friday

 

[Ron Bakker]

What Ulysses said.
The spear might only make contact halfway down the tube and there would still be a sag in the spear. The Beuchat triggers have one of the highest elevated spears.
I hand make rails but a bit labor intensive.

 

[phuketfreediver]

can i not take the adhesive of the rail and sikoflex up to the required height, or is this more of a problem?

 

[Pastor]

That might do it, I can't see any obvious reason why it shouldn't. What I would do is to use a few small spacers (like bits of a match?) to stop it sagging while it set and some masking tape on the barrel to keep it clean. You would have a little time to play around with it to make sure it was all straight before it set but you would have to make sure it didn't move afterwards

 

[ulysses]

What size is the Beuchat Mundial Comp are we talking about anyway? If it's 100cm or less I wouldn't bother to put on a rail that does not fit without laborious modification (for one removing the 3M tape from the Omer rail will be quite a task) that may or may not work.

When asked about any modification he did on his spearguns - needless to say all Beuchat - 3 times world champion Pedro Carbonell once said that he only removes the shaft guide, the gun butt and glues the safety in 'fire' position.

From my experience the gun is deadly accurate without a full length rail, provided that you do NOT use the original Beuchat shafts (flopper does not close properly without some tuning) BUT Seatec Top Extreme shafts with the lowest profile floppers on the market.

Cheers

 

[foxfish]

The last time thees stick on rails were discussed I got shot down in flames for saying "I found them quite difficult to fit perfectly straight" but I did!

 

[Ron Bakker]

I can can see why omer went for a rail that sticks on instantly but I would still prefer an overnight type glue for that reason. I have pulled one off and started again but I do find it a bit dodgy. Now I just do epoxy rails on carbon like this:
Rons Sea Corner
Which is of no help to phuket freediver sorry.
Again I agree with Ulysses, if its only a 100cm they hardly have any sag anyway. The Nz team do the same no gun butt,no saftey, no muzzle bungy and no shft guide on shorter guns at least.

 

[foxfish]

Nice work Ron but as you point out not exactly a stick on rail.rofl

 

[Mr. X]

The Nz team do the same no gun butt,no saftey, no muzzle bungy and no shft guide on shorter guns at least.

Interesting. Why not muzzle bungee? I notice the Rob Allen FAQ mentions that using mono means that it is not necessary, yet they fit them to most of the guns.

 

[Pastor]

You only need a bungee when you miss rofl

 

[foxfish]

Unless you own a mamba

 

[T2K]

i found the rail nearly impossible to get perfectly straight when i tried to install mine.

 

[Marwan]

thats an interesting opinion Marwan. I have the Cayman with integrated, and it seems to be getting quieter as it beds in. I had even thought to use some valve grinding compound and "lap" it in by hand????

I will try a dynema wishbone soon as I think a lot of the sound is really from that.

I can say though, without doubt: guides are very accurate!
I would never shoot another band gun without one.

Azapa..
my cayman (regular aluminum 90) has lots of scratches on the rail, while my other omer with the stick on rail is clean, bear in mind that the cayman is a few months old, but the other one is almost 4 years old.. i think that naturally metal on metal contact (spear and built in Alu Rail) would produce more sound then metal on plastic contact (spear and stick on)..
whether you need a rail or not is a whole different argument, im not sure the gun shoots any better with it, but maybe if i overpower the gun slightly and put 20 or 21mm bands you can start having some difference due to lack of shaft whip that the rail would help with...
either that or im just a good shot roflrofl

 

[Farang Shao Ley]

i found the rail nearly impossible to get perfectly straight when i tried to install mine.

Yepp, not easy. Only worked for me in the second attempt :head, but still sticks very good.
I think, a good way would be to add a fine layer of SIKAFLEX on the addesive side (keep it on!) of the stick-on rail, stick it on , put a shaft in to move it to the perfect postion/height, while the gun is fixed in a horizontal position
More better, buy a rail-gun