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Orca Fin US National Record Dynamic Video

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wes

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Greets All,

I used a modified Orca fin to do dynamic in 25m pool down here in Cayman and set new US National Dynamic Record. Details are shown on the vimeo video page. If you have slow internet for sure click the blue "HD" button to turn the HD off, otherwise is 1080p! Thanks to Glen Garret who is past US Dynamic No Fins record holder for showing the flip turns to me.

https://vimeo.com/41854172

Cheers Wes Lapp
 
Great swim. I havnt seen someone doing that technique since Mandy i think back in the day. Every turn i thought you would hit your head.:waterwork
How do you judge the wall when face up?
Hope to try the Orca in a week in Kona.:)
 
Congratulations!

It's very cool to see people going far with alternative techniques! I'm glad Freediving has the space for such diverse approaches!

Also I glean from the technique that the Orca DOL-fin is effective at slow speeds. Though at the same time I notice the new X18 and X20 Designs appear more stable. Ron is my observation correct?
 
Nicely done! Very interesting that you swim the Orca arms by your sides, I haven't had much luck with that.

That is some *crazy* move you do with the partial arm stroke, then pause, then finish the arm stroke. Maybe you can tell us more about that?
 
Congratulations to Wes! I admire your creativity. After the DNF NR done with arms only, this one did not disappoint me. BTW, years ago, you promissed posting a video of the DNF NR, but I never saw it. Could you post a link? It would be nice to see the style too.
 
Oh and I've got to add that it is far too long since I heard any Cake.

That single featured in a snowboarding video that got played nonstop at my place one winter back in the mid 90's. Alongside Pepper (BHS's) and City Sleeps (MC 900' J).

Phil C
 
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My DYN is sadly conventional and boring by comparison. :(

It's impressive to get a US gold medal for distance AND perfect 6.0's for artistic impression!!

Awesome work!
 
Ok time to take the dolphin serious.
In the future (December/January) I would be very happy to get a fin for Branko Petrovic so he can try to do a dynamic with it. We will be willing to experiment with different fins for getting a good distance. Obviously if you know Brankos static you can imagine that he will go for a nice swim with it ;=) . The thing is that Dyn is not something Branco is focusing on now. He was a spearfisher so he is not as good with a monofin as he needs to be. But I would be very happy to get a fin for Branco so that he can try it out. We will also give you extensive feedback.
I would like to know though wether the dolphin is better performance wise for the athlete as he seamed to master it pretty well compared to a normal monofin.
best regard Bernhard
 
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All,

Thanks for all the feedback and questions. I will try to answer.

- On the Orca fin is best or not: I used before only a wings nemo which has regular fin footpockets so is nowhere close to a glide for efficiency so I can't really compare the Orca to a state of the art monofin. At same time I wanted a fin I could wear for hours that would not hurt my feet and the Orca does that for sure. I saw at the Grand Cayaman Comp people with large bone spurs on their feet from the glide fins and wearing them only 5 min at a time for their dives, this is not freediving for me (doesn't seem very "free")!!

- Seeing the wall, it was luck the pool was scheduled at night and we were only ones in it so surface was very still. Like this it is easy to see reflection of bottom in surface of water upside down. It was easier to see the wall when I was facing up then facing down as I could see "further" from the bounce of the reflection of the bottom off the water surface. (None of this was planned).

- Grant Graves, who judged my swim told me that the hands at sides technique is/was popular by the Italians, I don't know about the upside down part, I learned that from Glen Garrett who held US no fins record maybe 5 years ago.

- I didn't like the original Orca fin for slow speeds, it seems alot of energy sucked up by the neopreme booties you wear normally with it and the regular orca really only gives thrust on the down stroke, not the upstroke unless you go to a very small quick wiggle sort of kick. At same time I modded my Orca as I got practice so I don't know now that I have much more practice if I would love or hate the original Orca fin. I have not tried or seen the X-18 or X-20 fins up close.

- On hands at sides, my overhead streamline is very bad (I grew up waterskiing which is complete opposite flexibility wise) and slowly getting better with stretching and yoga. With the Orca mods the hands at sides work better I think as less need for stronger down stroke one direction, more balanced up and down so hands in front to balance the kick angular momentum is not needed as much.

- I like to use the sphera mask in the pool even though I know the goggles are better (is more "free" for me) so is more drag from my head. When I pull I have big hands and my hands out in front glide is very bad so I am going already fast from the wall and a 1/2 pull so I tuck my hands under my chin and glide some that way then stroke again and glide. I do the same sometimes in no-fins then go to my hand sculling at side technique (I think I am good at that from extra mobility in shoulders from waterskiing from very young). Plus most of my training is in a 25m pool going back and fourth so I get bored and make up new strokes even maybe if I don't know they are better I do them anyways and this stroke I am not sure is really better. I cannot do it all the way thru as I get "anxious" with less air and do a full pull off the wall as am "scared" to pause and glide.

- On the old 125 DNF (was almost National Record, didn't count in the end), I have video, not posted, will ask Goh to do some cuts and add music and post, is very beautiful dive too I think.

- This is getting long so I will do separate post with pics of modified orca.

- The neck weight I like and is cheap and easy to adjust weights. I don't like the rubber tube neck weights as I feel they stick down too far and cause drag and then to change weights is a pain.

The strap is from Mcmaster Carr
part number for small necks 3955T77
parrt number for big necks 3955T78
they are under $10 each
I use the dive pearls weights and now tape them on sideways for the middle weight so my chin can rest down further, I use 3m mailing tape which is just good quailty clear plastic tape for taping up cardboard boxes.

- I picked out the Cake music, didn't realize how perfect it would be with Goh Iromoto's edits, he is brilliant video guy. If you need any videos he works freelance, can get contacts always thru PFI for Goh. This is most of the art too, though some from me swimming to :)

- I will work on Orca mod post, I think for scuba and faster swimming maybe my Orca is same as stock Orca, not sure there, for slow swimming in pool I am pretty sure my Orca mods are 25% better than stock orca, again, sad I cannot compare to glide fin, though I think maybe my Orca mod a bit better as my static is only 6:30 these days so am not in that good of shape so maybe some really good person in 50m pool could go 300m (I think I could do 200m in 50m pool now with out so many turns).

Thanks again for interest and you guys keep DB alive with all your posts!!

Cheers Wes
 
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Wes,

I warned you about breaking my record, beware the fame, the media, the women, they are relentless. I couldn't take it anymore glad your dealing with it now :)


Be careful and awesome swim!
 
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Very nice, interesting and artistic swim! Congrats Wes.

One thing I noticed is that your suit lets in water at the neck, and the back of the suit has water-"bubbles" moving around. Might create a lot of drag. Maybe it doesn't, but might be worth looking into, to get an extra few meterss next time...

- I didn't like the original Orca fin for slow speeds, it seems alot of energy sucked up by the neopreme booties you wear normally with it and the regular orca really only gives thrust on the down stroke, not the upstroke unless you go to a very small quick wiggle sort of kick.

The extension on the ORCA should make it better for slow speed I would expect. How come you don't find it good for slow speed? Is it only because of wearing neoprene socks? Or other things.

It is surprising to me that the extended ORCA should only give thrust on the downstroke, since both the extension and the small "dead zone" should (in theory) make it a very good upstroke fin I would say... Do you think it might have something to do with the upstroke being controlled by a rubberband, and the possibility that you might need a different resistance for (very) slow speed..? Have you talked to Ron/REVAN about that?
 
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