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Science behind progressive static holds?

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Does any know the scientific explanation on why progressive holds get easier and easier? Eg say starting with 2min hold, 2:30 for next, 3, 3:30, 4 etc up to max attempt.

If I am not mistaken Herbert makes many holds to build up to his max static?

I can guess some of the reasons but obviously there is also the no-warmup approach too, so apart from the mental side of things i was wondering what physical changes in the body might be favouring the progressive approach...
 
I'd like to second Simos' query (hi Simos!), having had good results using no warm-up in DYN and CWT but not in STA.
 
This is something that has been the focus of several earlier studies at my lab. Mostly on non-divers, as competitive freediving was not really developed in Sweden at the time of the studies. Maybe the explanation differs a little bit in trained freedivers.

We call the the increase in breath-holding time that you see with repeated apneas the "short-term training effect" to distinguish it from the training effect you get from days/weeks/months of training.

1. The short-term training effect has been attributed to more pronounced (unintentional) hyperventilation before repeated attempts than before the first, leading to progressively lower CO2-levels at the beginning of repeated apneas. However, not everybody agrees on this and there are experimental studies showing increased breath-holding times with repeated apneas even though the lungs PCO2 is not getting lower before subsequent apneas.
2. The diving response is not getting augmented with repeated apneas so this is not a major cause.
3. We have not observed that non-divers inhale more air into their lungs before the second or third apnea compared to before the first, but it may be that this differs if we did a study on trained divers.
4. Maybe you are able to relax more with repeated apneas and thus reduce O2 consumption during the repeated apneas.
5. I do not believe that you get a temporary reduction in the so called hypercapnic (or hypoxic) ventilatory drive (i.e., that you would get less intense respiratory stimuli from higher CO2 or lower O2 with repeated apneas).
6. One interesting observation that we have done is that the short-term training effect is much smaller in people without a spleen (splenectomized individuals). The splenic contraction that occurs during apnea releases red blood cells into the circulation which increases the blood gas storage capacity during subsequent apneas. This is probably a major contributing factor to the short-term training effect, at least in the studies we have done on the topic. You can find some of them below:

Effects of repeated apneas on apneic time and divi... [Undersea Hyperb Med. 1999] - PubMed result
Selected contribution: role of spleen emptying in ... [J Appl Physiol. 2001] - PubMed result
Repeated apneas do not affect the hypercapnic vent... [Eur J Appl Physiol. 2009] - PubMed result

/Johan
 
thanks for posting Johan. The experimentation is really helpful.

Number 1 and number 4 interact. As you relax with serial apneas, you burn less 02, making the same level of breathing hyperventalatory.

Some divers (me) reduce their ventilation over serial apneas, compensates for the above. We still see a substantial "short term training effect" It seems to take longer to kick in fully than should be explained by speenic contraction.

I find it hard to believe that improved dive response is not a factor, at least in trained divers, but, you-da-man with the data, so who am I to object.

Connor
 
Thanks that's quite interesting. I would expect an increased dive response (actually a cumulative) for the first few holds, as I was guessing that effects like vasoconstriction of the extremities must be cumulative but only up to a certain level. Same with heart rate etc

The point on the spleen is very interesting - if this is the mechanism, then it would imply that a series of progressive holds is more effective than the no warmup approach or worst case scenario, equal. My rationale is that one of the advantages of no warmup as I understand it is that oxygenated blood stored in the spleen is released and used during the hold but progressive holds would perhaps lead to more being released that can subsequently be oxygenated prior to the max attempt.

The point on hyperventilation is also interesting - for sure it would be hard to make sure you don't hyperventilate between holds...
 
Thought about this some more, interesting subject.

This is probably a special case and would not be picked up in most experiments, but blood shift into the lungs during frc diving is very definitely cumulative. That should aid comfort and increase safe dive time during serial apneas.

Connor
 

My thoughts exactly Connor but there must be some max that is reached? I guess the question is whether it is reached after 2 serial apneas or 10 etc.

An approach that seemed to work really well for me in static (although I only had the time to try it once so not sure if I was just having a good day) was serial apneas, building up to longer and longer holds, then one really easy hold of 1 min and then maximum attempt. Not sure why but that min hold feels sooooooo nice and relaxed
 
Some comments:

- Spleen contraction is one of the reasons why 'no warm up' works so well. The ideal time for the spleen to contract is during the apnea, not before. By contracting during the apnea, the fresh oxygenated red blood from the spleen is mainly used by the brain and heart, after survival reflex has kicked in near the end of the apnea and little blood flows to the limbs
- if you contract the spleen first (by warm ups), then you have a higher red cell volume in circulation at the start of the apnea, but this oxygen will now be used by random body systems even as the apnea just begins

Look at elephant seals for example. They store 24L of blood in their spleen. They do not need to do 'warm up' dives to contract their spleen. Their spleen contracts entirely, on their first dive.

Spleen contraction might explain why the 2nd apnea is longer than the first. But it will not explain why the 5th is longer than the 4th, since every study I read showed that the spleen did not contract anymore after the 3rd apnea.

My theory has always been that the kidneys produce more bicarbonate with each successive apnea, (compensated metabolic alkalosis), allowing greater buffering capacity.

I don't think ventilation is the explanation either. Using my CO2 monitor, I reach a higher and higher level of CO2 at the time of the first contraction, on each successive apnea. For example on the first apnea I might get a contraction at etCO2=6.5%. The second apnea the first contraction might come at 6.9%. The third, 7.3%, and so on. So for some reason I can withstand a higher and higher level of CO2.

The effect is greatest if I do a CO2 table. After a long CO2 table I have tolerated CO2 levels of up to 11% !!!
 
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Eric's comments mirror my experience exactly. The first 3 apneas show the greatest increase in time, but time continues to increase beyond 3. His observation of higher c02 levels at first contraction sounds also like my experience. My level of ventilation drops to ridiculously low levels during serial apneas in very relaxed diving situations. Hard to believe that relaxation could cut co2 production enough to allow such a low level of ventilation to prevent co2 buildup. Seems to fit FRC theory as well.

Simos, blood shift to the lungs does hit a maximum, but the level seems to be strongly individual and seems to increase with training. How long it takes for each individual on a given day, I'm not sure.

Connor
 
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Thanks for the input guys, all makes sense. Actually thinking about it, it ties in with an approach I found helped me the most (again I didn't manage to always reproduce with the same level of success): doing a series of comfortable, short holds. I started full lung but then found out that throwing a few FRC short holds into the warmup mix helped me' even more.

I suspect it's because the FRC holds help with the bloodshift and the normal short holds seem to help with tolerating higher CO2 levels but without ever causing any spleenic contractions (reserved for the max dive).

On reflection I think perhaps experimenting with the rest between the short holds would be key - if it's too long they will not be as effective and if they're too short they'll start causing contractions.

I guess it's some kind of mixed warmup table where you try to hit optimal levels of co2 and o2 and increase/decrease them gently in preparation for the max attempt.

Hmmm need to find a buddy patient enough to do a couple of whole sessions of statics. (no pressure Grace lol)
 
I too have found an incredible method for static that involves an enormous number of 'short' breath holds (circa 1/2 max in duration). The problem is the method requires huge patience, as it can take 1hr+ of short holds before the improvement stops -- then the max is done with great ease and minimal breathe-up.
 
I find it hard to believe that improved dive response is not a factor, at least in trained divers...

What we observed was that the cardiovascular responses (heart rate reduction, increase in blood pressure, and skin blood flow as an indication of vasoconstriction) were essentially unchanged during repeated apneas (apneas with face immersion). If anything, the heart rate reduction (diving bradycardia) was actually slightly less pronounced during later apneas in the series. This can be explained by the two main factors initiating the diving bradycardia (apnea + stimulation of facial cold receptors by the water). The apnea stimulus is the same throughout the series of apneas, but there was not enough time to warm the face in between apneas in this particular experiment (apneas separated by 2 min of rest). This means that the dynamic stimulation of the cold receptors (going from warmer air to colder water at the beginning of apnea) was getting less intense throughout the series, explaining the slightly higher heart rate in later apneas.

However, these were relatively short apneas by non-divers. In trained freedivers, hypoxia developing in longer apneas will augment the diving response, resulting in a more pronounced diving response the longer the apnea gets.

/Johan
 

Remember that what I was reporting above was relatively short apneas (on average shorter than 2.5 min). In that case, spleen contraction and release of red blood cells will contribute to the short-term training effect. When performing a much longer apnea, it is possible that a "no-warmup approach" may be better, releasing the red blood cells during the apnea when the maximal peripheral vasoconstriction is initiated (as also Eric F stated above). I have not seen experimental data supporting this notion, but it is an "attractive" idea.

/Johan
 
Look at elephant seals for example. They store 24L of blood in their spleen. They do not need to do 'warm up' dives to contract their spleen. Their spleen contracts entirely, on their first dive.

Obviously their diving times are much longer than ours, allowing ample time for the spleen to contract. The elephant seals average diving time is about 20-25 min (longest dives 60-120 min). A human performing an apnea longer than perhaps 7-8 min might be able to elicit a maximal splenic contraction, but I guess that if your apneas are shorter than that, you need repeated apneas to see the maximal effect.

But I agree that the elephant seals are really astonishing divers. E.g., female elephant seals dive more or less continuously during 8 months between moult and next breeding season. On average, 89% of this 8-mo period is spent underwater. Although these seals do occasionally remain at the surface for an hour or two, in a study in which the seals were wearing time/depth-recorders, the maximum surface interval recorded for one female was only 5 min during 40 days at sea!

It follows that the idea of the spleen functioning as a scuba tank in large marine mammals such as elephant seals has to be reevaluated in the light of the above-mentioned diving behavior. Most marine mammals do not spend long periods at the surface between dives. In both northern and southern elephant seals, surface periods longer than 3 min are unusual, even when the animal is diving continuously for 24 h or more. The spleen/red blood cells need more than 10 min after a diving bout before the red blood cell concentration returns to resting levels. Hence, the red blood cell concentration will rise on the first dive of a bout and, in the case of elephant seals, could remain elevated for months. Thus the idea of the spleen serving as a scuba tank may be true for the first dive of a bout, but for the successive dives, the red blood cells are already in the circulating blood.


Spleen contraction might explain why the 2nd apnea is longer than the first. But it will not explain why the 5th is longer than the 4th, since every study I read showed that the spleen did not contract anymore after the 3rd apnea.

Yes, that is true. I can perhaps explain this (again referring to our studies mainly on non-divers, i.e. shorter apnea times than many trained freedivers).

The spleen size is getting smaller over apnea 1 to 3 in a series, coinciding with an increase in red blood cell concentration/hematocrit (but apnea 5 in a series has the same spleen volume and hematocrit as observed in apnea 3). Thus, the spleen contracts and ejects red blood cells during apneas 1-3. This response has reached its maximum in the third apnea.

At the same time the "physiological breaking point" (the time of the first involuntary breathing movement) is delayed over apnea 1-3, leading to a longer breath-holding time (short-term training effect). The increases in hematocrit and time to the physiological breaking were absent in spelectomized individuals, lending support to the notion that splenic contraction is important in explaining the delay in the physiologic breaking point in apneas 2-5 compared to the first apnea in a series.

In our studies, the physiological breaking point occurred at more or less the same time in apnea 3 as in apnea 5. No further splenic contraction in apnea 4-5, no further delay of the physiologic breaking point.

Nevertheless, the breath-holding time increased from apnea 3 to apnea 5. This was because the time with involuntary breathing movements was increased in apneas 4 and 5 (compared to apnea 3). Traditionally the time from the physiologic breaking point to the end of an apnea is called the "struggle phase", and is often referred to as being determined by psychological factors. This was the period increasing in length during apnea 4-5 explaining the continued short-term training effect even after the splenic contraction had reached its maximum.

The time from the start of the apnea to the physiological breaking point is called the "easy-going phase", determined mainly by the arterial PCO2 reaching a critical level triggering respiratory movements that can be voluntarily resisted during the struggle phase. So putting the above long reasoning in a simplistic way, mainly physiological factors (splenic contraction) contribute to the lengthening of the easy-going phase over apneas 1-3, and mainly psychological factors (better tolerance to the urge to breathe) contribute to the lengthening of the struggle phase during apneas 4-5.

Eric, I hope that my line of reasoning was possible to follow...

/Johan
 
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In my case the contractions come later and later up to the 8th breath hold approximately. Even if I practice every day, which is a lot of breath holds, such that I do not believe there could possibly be any psychological adaptation from one apnea to the next. So the reason for the continued delay of the 1st contraction is still unclear, however I strongly believe that it is physiological. This is because, for example, after a long CO2 table, my urge to breathe is so blunted that I can sit at my computer and accidentally stop breathing for extended periods. As I am not even concentrating on holding my breath, I can't explain that as a psychological function. The normal respiratory drive has been blunted. Just as a person at altitude experiences the opposite effect (reduced bicarbonate levels resulting in increased respiratory drive).

Also, I do not believe that contractions are 'involuntary breathing reflexes'. Instead, I believe a contraction is just the body causing the blood pressure in the brain to go up. One reason I believe this is that during exhale statics, you still get contractions which feel somewhat like exhale pressure. Now, if you are holding your breath on an exhale, the next logical action is to inhale, not exhale. So if the contractions were 'involuntary breathing reflexes', then during exhale statics, the contractions would manifest as an involuntary inhalation movement. But no, instead the body still tries to contract the abdominal muscles, which acts to increase the blood pressure in the brain.
 
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Guys thanks for all the fascinating info. Lots to think about and perhaps experiment with.

Johan I think there is probably a psychological element too but from my limited experience I do agree with Eric that there seems to be a physiological reason too.

In all my diving I work almost purely on prolonging the 'easy phase' of apnea. I have little interest in the 'struggle' phase and I usually end my dives whenever I perceive that I am starting to move into the struggle phase. Yet after repeated holds, the 'easy phase' is definitely prolonged. If I do enough holds, the 'easy phase' alone becomes clearly longer than the max (easy + struggle) I could do with the no warmup approach.

I understand that some of my observations are particular to me and the way I train etc but for me at least it's clear that the easy part of the dive is prolonged.

I hope I can find someone patient enough to try a really long session of short holds - in the meantime I might try it with dry holds when I get an hour to spare and report back how it went.
 
Eric,
You said that you have done over an hour of short breath holds (approx 1/2 max) followed by a really good max at the end. How long do you rest between the short breath holds?

Thanks,
John
 
I was actually wondering the same as John Eric for 1/2 max holds.

I was thinking of starting with a 1:1 ratio (hold:rest) and work from there but I think probabl the best approach would be to start with a rest time that's sufficient so that you can keep it going for an hour and then reduce hold time to find the min rest where you could sustain? Then a longer rest before max attempt (maybe double the shorter rest interval) and go.

Those are my thoughts on how to start but I am sure once i start I will change this. Wish I had some fancy gear to measure a few things while doing these holds...
 
My favorite pattern is:
4'30" static
rest 2'00" with almost no breathing at all (unconscious tidal breathing only)
2 deep breaths
4'30" static
rest 2'00" with almost no breathing at all
2 deep breaths
4'30" static or until 1st contraction

Contractions start around 2'50"-3'10" on the 1st static. The contractions come later and later until they start around 5'15" on the 8th static. For the last (max) attempt, I do 2 minutes of 'sub-neutral' breathing, deeper breathing but with no movement of the upper chest or shoulders; diaphragm only with minimal energy expenditure. This delays the contractions about 1 minute beyond whenever they came on the last warm up.
 
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I think one of the biggest misnomers in freediving is to call these reflexes 'diaphragmatic contractions.' Like all muscles, the diaphragm can only contract in one direction, which is downwards, during an inhalation. Relaxation of the diaphragm causes a passive exhale and contraction of the abdominal muscles assists this for a forced exhale.
The involuntary breathing reflexes are actually thoracic (ribcage) expansions, which have the effect of pulling the diaphragm up underneath the ribcage as a volume compensation effect, but the diaphragm itself is not contracting. This is why they can occur in all types of static, and also why you feel temporarily better after a breathing reflex, as it stimulates the stretch receptors in the ribcage, telling the brain you've inhaled and that it's going to get some oxygen shortly! 'Blocking' contractions removes this contradictory signal, and allows the O2-conservatory responses to intensify without check.

Fascinating stuff about the elephant seals!
 
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