Sea Angling for Spearos

[Magpie]

Ignoring the obvious colour difference its almost identical.

I grabbed one of the veals one and its all the same, even as far as the diamond scale pattern on the top half but just lines on the bottom, except for a tiny bit of detail on the gill plate, but you have to look very close to see it! The veals one has a loud rattle, presume that has too.

The bass bandit jobs I had were blue with a white tail Mr X.

Right, I'm off to try and catch a bull huss!

 

[Mr. X]

Spinnerbaits work just fine in the salty too but if they aren't designed for it they will rust to bits.
I like fishing Flying C's but they usually rust by the end of a trip.

Ah Flying Condom!

Yorkshire Game Angling Flying 'C's
The Art of Fishing rates them too (they like everything - probably a bunch of tackle shop owners). Like a cross between a Mepps spinner & a rubber worm/condom. Interesting. Do bass, mullet & pollock take spinners? Mackeral & pike certainly do.

Magpie, still on the flying-C thought, I wonder if using a small, white, sausage party balloon might be a way to cover/colour the lead of your homemade eels (is that electricians' tape on the bottom one? Surprised is sticks. Superglued?). Blue & white are my fav. colours for bass currently. There were a lot more pollock (mainly small but also more 1-2.5lb size than usual) around the coast here last year than anything else.

 

[Mr. X]

Magpie,
Is this the same as the veals plug?...
Biltema Norge

I sometimes see lures like that on ebay, although with a silver belly. I have a couple, they are quite good -- good size, weight, action, markings (mackeral + red chin & gills, scale texture), holographic eyes, etc. Just as good as the big name brands as far as I can tell...although I left one unwashed & the split rings started rusting (I wash everything when I get home now). I really should use it more often -- it was my main lure when I started. It has a small rattle too -- not sure if I like rattles though, doesn't seem a very fish-like sound...apart from perhaps a big ballan wrasse crunching mussels.

 

[atomichaggis]

Ignoring the obvious colour difference its almost identical.

I grabbed one of the veals one and its all the same, even as far as the diamond scale pattern on the top half but just lines on the bottom, except for a tiny bit of detail on the gill plate, but you have to look very close to see it! The veals one has a loud rattle, presume that has too.

The bass bandit jobs I had were blue with a white tail Mr X.

Right, I'm off to try and catch a bull huss!

These ones have a loud rattle and wide action and come equipped with fairly good trebles. The paint jobs are custom as the stores name is on the underside but they are all the usuals... mackie, redhead, firetiger and a lovely dark brown n golden olive natural looker. They sit well at a stop too and look super with a slow retrieve just lazily pushing to one side then the other.

some more patterns...
Biltema Norge
Biltema Norge
Biltema Norge
Biltema Norge
Biltema Norge
Biltema Norge

They also do smaller 13cm ones. Do they resemble anything over there?...
Biltema Norge

Hope the Huss fishing went well, be sure to post photies to show these americans and south africans our fierce predators.

 

[atomichaggis]

Ah Flying Condom!

Yorkshire Game Angling Flying 'C's
The Art of Fishing rates them too (they like everything - probably a bunch of tackle shop owners). Like a cross between a Mepps spinner & a rubber worm/condom. Interesting. Do bass, mullet & pollock take spinners? Mackeral & pike certainly do.

Magpie, still on the flying-C thought, I wonder if using a small, white, sausage party balloon might be a way to cover/colour the lead of your homemade eels (is that electricians' tape on the bottom one? Surprised is sticks. Superglued?). Blue & white are my fav. colours for bass currently. There were a lot more pollock (mainly small but also more 1-2.5lb size than usual) around the coast here last year than anything else.

Pollack and Coalies (pollOck) take just about anything that appears to run. I like the flying C's cos they are salmon lures, tho I only had trout n mackarel on them til they rusted. I've heard of mullet taking small spinners.

An easy fix on the leadgills would be shrink tube or similar like the rubber on flying C's.

 

[Magpie]

Yeh they look like the same body with different paint jobs, your description of the action fits perfectly.

No, its didn't, couple of doggies and a pollack and got my 100lbs trace bitten through by what felt like a decent conger.

Mr X, the rattle isn't meant to sound fishlike, its just something to grab the fishes attention from further away than visual range. Mostly recommended in coloured water.

Yes, thats pvc tape and it sticks fine. I just gave them a simple coat of paint and it stayed on fine.

 

[atomichaggis]

Should have used wire Magpie. Just had a whiting day here... rats of the sea.

About the rattle... I'm no so sure fish have ears.

 

[Magpie]

No, but they have lateral lines and other sensors that can feel vibrations, ie sound.

 

[atomichaggis]

Yeah but what I mean is they probably don't hear the rattle like we do... I guess its just like small waves of pressure like a swimming fish would emit to them... of course I don't have a lateral line so I'm just guessing
Have you ever heard a schoal of sandeels? they sound just like the rubber ones.

 

[Mr. X]

Interesting ideas on sound & rattles. I think many of my lures have rattles. I see Veals also sells line beads which rattle - so you could add it to any lure/spiner/eel/.... I like the look of the Chartreuse & Red-head ones. I've not heard of anyone using Chartreuse lures in the UK but saw a set of them in different sizes being sold in the US -- so somebody obviously rates them for something. I've also seen some coloured like that referred to as "clown". The 13cm looks similar to the Maria lures -- although they have a fancy moving weight system that seems to work well.

100lb trace!! I've seen ML write about "knottable wire" for traces but I've yet to see it, couldn't find it in the Veals catalogue.

 

[Magpie]

Would have used wire if I was after conger, but prefer thick mono generally.

Yeh, surprising amount of noise, I had a big shoal off bass turn and scarper when I was on aspetto once and the noise was defending, can't think how to describe it, like the flutter of a butterfly on a window magnified a couple of million times.

 

[ADM]

Rattling lures do seem to work. This is my all time favorite and by a very very long way the most successful [ame=http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Storm-Jointed-Thunderstick-Lure-Original-Blue-Chrome_W0QQitemZ140204874358QQihZ004QQcategoryZ7300QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122]Storm Jointed Thunderstick Lure Original Blue Chrome on eBay, also Baits Lures, Freshwater, Fishing, Sporting Goods (end time 13-Feb-08 01:30:00 GMT)[/ame]. I got a load in to last me some time from the US as they are discontinued, there seem to be a few pop up in the UK from time to time.

 

[atomichaggis]

Interesting ideas on sound & rattles. I think many of my lures have rattles. I see beals also sells line beads which rattle - so you could add it to any lure/spiner/eel/.... I like the look of the Chartreuse & Red-head ones. I've not heard of anyone using Chartreuse lures in the UK but saw a set of them in different sizes being sold in the US -- so somebody obviously rates them for something. I've also seen some coloured like that referred to as "clown". The 13cm looks similar to the Maria lures -- although they have a fancy moving weight system that seems to work well.

100lb trace!! I've seen ML write about "knottable wire" for traces but I've yet to see it, couldn't find it in the Veals catalogue.

Chartreuse is a fantastic colour!!! especially on flies... bit of chartreuse flash on white bucktail minnow pattern is deadly for fish... all of em
I've heard clousers are good bass takers.

knottable wire... that I gotta see!

 

[atomichaggis]

Would have used wire if I was after conger, but prefer thick mono generally.

Yeh, surprising amount of noise, I had a big shoal off bass turn and scarper when I was on aspetto once and the noise was defending, can't think how to describe it, like the flutter of a butterfly on a window magnified a couple of million times.

Is wire with a thick mono rubbin leader for bull huss the most common setup? I'm not so keen on using wire meself, I like to protect the mono with some PVC (tougher than silicon) tubing when fishing for toothy critters... dunno how it would fare against a conger tho.

what i'd give to hear a schoal of bass round here the most frightening noise is always the propellor you can't fix a location on.

 

[atomichaggis]

Rattling lures do seem to work. This is my all time favorite and by a very very long way the most successful Storm Jointed Thunderstick Lure Original Blue Chrome on eBay, also Baits Lures, Freshwater, Fishing, Sporting Goods (end time 13-Feb-08 01:30:00 GMT). I got a load in to last me some time from the US as they are discontinued, there seem to be a few pop up in the UK from time to time.

Blue chrome, jointed... that is one sexy lure! I'd jump in and bite that one myself.
i'll be keeping an eye out for those.

 

[Mr. X]

Went down to the Dorset coast Sunday. Quite foggy near the sea. Spent most of the time diving but had a few casts using the Atomic Haggis flattie rig with the frozen sandeels left over from our last trip (I know, worms would have been better). We didn't catch anything but one of the others reckons he got a bite ledgering sandeel. The rig worked very well. We also discovered the joys of bait elastic -- it works brilliantly. I was going to pack up when my bait fell off (usually after 3 or 4 casts) but it never did come off!

Saw a kayak angler fishing nearby, I don't think he caught anything. I didn't see any fish but vis. was quite poor. The weather was gorgeous though, so everybody had a good time.

 

[Mr. X]

I was looking at the shop-bought Fladden flattie rig I bought some time ago. It's an odd "2-down" design. I think you guys already suggested sticking the weight above the rig -- probably the only option really. The mainline is terminated by a lot of large black & green beads, while a shorter snood has 6 smaller black & green beads However the rig is probably around 6ft long -- which is going to be interesting to cast; I'm thinking the rig was designed to be drifted behind a small boat in an estuary, rather than cast from shore. I know at least one cove that is barren of weed in the centre & is reputed to hold plaice - so maybe I should save the rig for a kayak session there?

[New flattie article by ML: Mike Ladle's Fishing Diary
...& another on red-head lures: Mike Ladle's Fishing Diary
...& another on Cornwall, live-baiting mackeral, huge Poppers & American Zara Spook lures; Mike Ladle's Fishing Diary
Just ordered ML's "The Mythical Mullet" DVD - v. reasonably priced]

 

[foxfish]

I was once an active member of "the national mullet club" & was invited along with my mate Nick to help with the making of "Mullet the Movie"!
The film was to be shot in Alderney about 1987? & did in fact become an award winning video. However we never appeared in the actual video even though we caught virtually all the fish! The days catch was kept alive in keep nets then when the lighting was right re hooked & filmed being caught again!
Bernard Cribbins was the narrator & a guy called Andy Appleby the star.

 

[atomichaggis]

I was looking at the shop-bought Fladden flattie rig I bought some time ago. It's an odd "2-down" design. I think you guys already suggested sticking the weight above the rig -- probably the only option really. The mainline is terminated by a lot of large black & green beads, while a shorter snood has 6 smaller black & green beads However the rig is probably around 6ft long -- which is going to be interesting to cast; I'm thinking the rig was designed to be drifted behind a small boat in an estuary, rather than cast from shore. I know at least one cove that is barren of weed in the centre & is reputed to hold plaice - so maybe I should save the rig for a kayak session there?

I think its probably just meant to be cast from a big rod that allows a big drop... post a pic of it all laid out. Normal baited spoon rigs are crap to cast, If the lead is at the bottom then its actually a paternoster... only bigger dimensions than the one I gave instructions on.

 

[atomichaggis]

I was once an active member of "the national mullet club" & was invited along with my mate Nick to help with the making of "Mullet the Movie"!
The film was to be shot in Alderney about 1987? & did in fact become an award winning video. However we never appeared in the actual video even though we caught virtually all the fish! The days catch was kept alive in keep nets then when the lighting was right re hooked & filmed being caught again!
Bernard Cribbins was the narrator & a guy called Andy Appleby the star.

roflI often wondered how many of these programs were complete frauds.