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Should I abandon all hope? Asthma & (free)diving.

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Hi all! First of all, I'd like to start off by stating that this forum is absolutely fantastic, and that there is a wealth of information to be found on here. I've been spending a lot of time the last few days just browsing through the archives, and am amazed by how knowledgeable people on this board are.

Now that I'm done sucking up to you all (kidding, kidding), I'd like to present "my case", my raison d'être - or why I joined this board. The start of the story probably sounds very familiar to you all, as it has been a source of discussion in the past: I learned SCUBA diving a while ago while on a trip abroad, completing a PADI Open Water course. Loved it, felt great throughout the course, got completely addicted. Wanting to continue to dive, I enquired on joining a diving club, and was told I'd have to get a medical check-up, including lung function tests. That's where the tragedy-bit kicks in: I was informed after the lung function tests that I have a mild case of asthma.

I think the first phrases that came to mind upon hearing that were "eh?", and "now what?". That second phrase was easily answered: I'm not allowed to dive any more. Seeing as I'm in my early thirties, my physician informed me that the chances of me "growing out of it" were, ahem, fairly slim. He basically gave me a life-time ban from scuba diving. My asthma is not bad enough to require medications either, so it's not as if taking the lung tests again while on meds would improve matters - my MD simply told me to give up on the whole diving-idea, and to join a football-team or something. The polite version of what went through my mind is "oh, now that's a bit of a bummer", the unpolished version of that thought is not suitable for children and the faint-hearted, and shall remain unprinted. Suffice to say that I'm slightly frustrated by the whole ordeal, especially as I had no idea beforehand that anything was wrong with me. I go to the gym three times a week, I run twice a week, and never had an "attack". I might feel a bit tight in the chest after having gone for a run, but I always thought that that had more to do with the fact that I'm not one for jogging (I prefer short and high speed runs over marathons at snail's pace), and being slightly out of breath after having exercised didn't sound all that unusual to me. The tightness always resolved within a minute or so after having stopped running, so I never thought of it as being asthma. Guess I was wrong.

Anyway, I'm starting to ramble here. Having been banned from scuba diving, I decided that spending the rest of my life swimming breast stroke in the pool didn't sound like much of an option: I want to go diving in bays again. I read up on freediving, and thought I'd found a decent solution that would prevent my fins, mask and weight belt from being thrown on e-bay: after all, here was an opportunity to go diving without a scuba unit. I immediately started training in the pool, and in a nearby lake.

And now, finally, we get to the question-part of this post. As it turns out, I am *the* most worthless freediver in the history of freediving (which, I have been informed, is no short history). I can hold my breath laying face down in the water for about 1m40s. I've been able to hold it for that long for about 2 months, and there's no signs of me improving whatsoever. Once I go under, things get even worse: I can just about swim a length of 30 meters under water with fins, and then I've absolutely exhausted my oxygen supply. The lung tests showed that I have lung volume that is about 1.5 liter less than it should be for a man my height and age, I'm guessing that that's the reason for my lackluster performance. So, simply put: is there a reason to assume that I'll get better at this freediving thing, even despite the fact that I haven't shown any improvement over the past 2 months? Do asthma and a small lung volume automatically mean that I'll be stuck on this plateau of a length of 30 meters forever, not being able to dive any deeper than 3-4 meters because I know I'll run out of air if I go any deeper? Are there any stories out there, no matter how few, of people being absolutely horrible at freediving at first, and improving to the point where they can make a calm, recreational dive after training? In short, should I reconsider putting my diving equipment up on e-bay after all?

Thanks in advance for your answers - this whole asthma thing is frustrating and is absolutely doing my head in.
 
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Freediving perfomance depends of relaxation, technique and condition. Both relaxation and technique can always be improved, independent of the condition that might limit your performance.

Have you had instruction? And, what is the opinion of the instructor about your breathing technique?
 
Sam Still has asthma, he did a 9'50min plus hold.

Go see a diving specific doctor, don't know what country your in but in the UK I can point you in the right direction. If they decide your not fit fair enough.

Don't accept a medical decision off anyone here, see someone who has access to your full history
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Go see a diving specific doctor, don't know what country your in but in the UK I can point you in the right direction. If they decide your not fit fair enough.

Don't accept a medical decision off anyone here, see someone who has access to your full history
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Second this advice.
 
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Or even better come train with us in London with Sam - he's awesome. ;-)

I know nothing about asthma so can't help much there - better see a knowledgeable dr... Having said that, 2 months is not a long time at all and 1:40 is not as bad as you think. I'm pretty sure that with proper training, relaxation etc you can improve - you might not break a world record (or you might;-) ) but who cares, if you are enjoying it and having fun freediving keep doing it.

Ps why do you think you'll run out of air at 3-4m? You can already do a 30m dynamic so roughly you could do a 15m dive!
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Ask Sara Cambell her lung capacity.

It will be smaller than most people on here and she'll kick your ass ;)
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Any stories like yours around here?? A whole bunch, your experience is not uncommon. You haven't exhausted your 02 supply in 30 m unless you are starting out so unsaturated that you should feel like hell all the time. That feeling is just excess c02 in the wrong place, which can be controled.

I dive partial exhale, with less air in my lungs than you would have diving full lung. Heck, I think that is an advantage(and have the numbers to prove it). My son has mild asthma and it doesn't seem to slow him down spearfishing. The kid is getting pretty good, shooting fish with a pole gun in 45, diving 60. Dad's proud.

Obnoxious comments aside, I think you will freedive just fine. Your starting numbers are fine, too. Just to be sure, Find a freediving doc, cause most of them have no clue what we do, and get checked, again, just to be sure. Since discovering my son's asthma, we take meds with us on trips. Have never have had to use them, but it is a good precaution.

Stick around DB, ask questions, dive as much as possible, find some buddies and a pool to practice in. Its just time and practice.

Good Luck!

Connor
 
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Thanks for the replies, everyone. I'm usually not one to give up easily, but this asthma-thing has been doing my head in for quite some time now. It's great to get others' thoughts on the subject.

Rik: I haven't had any "formal" instruction. What I know about freediving (and what I base my training sessions on) comes from three sources: 1) informal bits of advice picked up by eavesdropping on spearfishers; 2) warm-up apnea sessions while I was doing my scuba-course (and a scuba-instructor is hardly the best source for advice on freediving, I know); 3) reading the DB board. I *am* interested in getting formal instruction, but afaik freediving instructors are rather thin on the ground here in Flanders. (I moved to Flanders a couple of years ago, a decision I've somewhat regretted after discovering diving. The weather's way worse than I had thought it would be as well, but that's a different story altogether.)

Apneaboy: I've made an appointment with a dedicated diving-doc. Unfortunately, the earliest appointment he could give me is on the 24th of November. He didn't sound too optimistic on the phone either: he basically said that if my GP thought I wasn't fit to dive based on my lung tests, the chances of him disagreeing with my GP would be slim. We'll see how it goes.

Simos: interesting... I never thought of the "30 meters dynamic equals 15 meters of depth"-thing. I always feel better on a single recovery breath after a 30m dynamic than after a 4 meter dive. I wonder if that's purely psychological...

All in all, sounds like I'll just have to keep on trucking for a while...
 
I wouldn't let it stop you. Sounds like your asthma isn't too bad. I would think freediving would be very good for your asthma too as it teaches you alot about breathing!

Your 30m and 1m40 don't sound too bad...I was struggling to hold my breath in my local pool today and I've been training in Dahab for the last 2 weeks. I think it's more about relaxation.

A problem you may have is that to join most clubs you need to sign a medical, usually if you have any 'condition' they will want a doc to say you're ok to dive. Getting to see a specialist dive doc is probably the best thing to do.
 
Breathing and relaxation exercises can be difficult learned over the internet. You might want to contact AIDA Belgique (AIDA Belgium) for information on instruction and medical information regarding freediving in Belgium.
 
I second what Rik said - finding a freediving instructor will make a huge difference, AIDA belgium should hopefully help. obviously check with a dr about the asthma before going any further - no idea how it would affect you and the most important thing before anything else is to be safe...

Regarding the depth, it's probably a bit psychological (as it probably causes you anxiety) but also for sure the fact that you have not trained for depth. I didn't mean that being able to do 30m dynamic automatically means that you can do 15m of depth, but if you were to train and get comfortable with depth you should at least have the capacity (even now) for roughly a 15m dive.

Just to give you an idea - even if you were to just learn how to do a proper duck dive efficiently, you'd hit 4m without even having to swim :)

Safe diving and good luck!
 
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one of my freediving partners has asthma as well as is becoming better everydive onething he has just started that he is finding very usful is hot yoga it helps clears his lungs as well as helps with relaxation it may be something you should look into
 
Apneaboy: I've made an appointment with a dedicated diving-doc. Unfortunately, the earliest appointment he could give me is on the 24th of November. He didn't sound too optimistic on the phone either: he basically said that if my GP thought I wasn't fit to dive based on my lung tests, the chances of him disagreeing with my GP would be slim. We'll see how it goes.

I had a similar response from GP doc #1, but dive doc sent me off for a histamine challenge and I've been Scuba ever since - and now freedive too.

Your situation might be different of course - turned out in my case that large lungs screwed up the readings for exhale time and looked like asthma.
 
Careful with hot yoga, it has a VERY bad reputation in yoga circles.

Asthma can be exacerbated by tension in the muscles around lungs/neck/shoulders that constricts the the sheath containing the nerves (epineurium) between brain and lungs. This inhibitis the (mostly unconscious) signals transmitted by the brain telling the lungs what to do and that in turn undermines lung function.

Naturally tai chi and/or yoga can really help by reducing these often deep and long standing tensions. As relaxation is so key to freediving it should help asthma too (as noted by nz676 above) :)
 
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I'm with Siku. I would not recommend hot yoga (for years I practiced yoga in an unheated room all winter - I thought hot yoga was cheating). The problem with such methods is their adherents often fail to take into account the time, place and person equation.

Some approaches work by 'turning up the volume' of sensation - what is need is to find the balance between paying attention - and catering to weak attention by using techniques that eggagerate sensation.

For asthma you want to relax and gently animate the lung tissues - not forcefully stretch or strain. Taiji, careful yoga, qigong and gentle pranayama can open and enliven those tissues without irritating or stressing them with mechanical stress. Key is to feel. Lung volume changes with conditioning - it is not an absolute value - nor is it the main factor in good diving.
 
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It sounds to me like you went to the wrong doctor because I have exercised induced asthma.. which I don't treat.. I still do my cardio, sporadically.. I'm pretty sure it takes me longer than a minute to recover after an intense workout, I don't do runs or anything close to long distance unless it's a walk or on an exercise bike yet I have a PADI license.. During my course I remember we dived to 33mtrs.. we did a few 30-60min dives (can't remember exactly).. I didn't have any trouble! :)
The reason that asthma could be an issue is because the deeper you are.. the further risk when you return to the surface that you might not expel air out your wind pipe fast enough to avoid your lungs collapsing.
You can go to a GP that does the Divers Medical Certificate and get tested, if you pass then it costs about $66 AUD (if you're in Australia). You definitely sound fitter than me so you'll be fine!! Your asthma isn't interfering with your life, you don't even take medication for it and you go on a bloody RUN, TWICE a week! (that's a lot in my eyes as I haven't actually enjoyed running in a long time)

I remember my ex lol.. now I think about it he probably had/has anxiety (BEFORE he met me hehe) used up more oxygen than me!! and he's a fit guy!! He was a bit silly using some air to push himself up and down while we were supposed to be following the instructor, took a while to get used to the control things but he was stressing out too and he's not claustrophobic.. it's just a strange thing at first I guess to submerge yourself in water and then breathe. It's all about relaxing I think. The reason why the man who holds the record for longest free dive.. in FREEZING water too is so good is because he has a strong MIND above all (plus training his technique etc).. yes he's fit and probably doesn't have any asthma but so do plenty of other people yet they don't hold the record.. Mind and Relaxation ;) and an up to date, attentive doctor that can provide you with diving related certification etc. that you might need. Don't give up on the Scuba and go hard on the Free Diving!! Much respect!! :)
 
Don't go too hard on the free diving lol.. you know what I mean lol.. Go for it man! :D .. that's what I meant to say :/
 
About breath hold.. I have normal lungs and remember doing roughly 1m and 20s on my 1st attempt without the know how when my instructor wanted to. Prove his point.. After showing us the "how".. *BAAAM*.. 3m and 13s on 1st attempt.. Just ignore the burning sensation and u'll live.. Believe in urself that u can do so and u will
 
One of the problems with asthma is that you have too much O2 in your lungs. Like a mild version of hyperventilation. Focus on the breathing exercises and it will go away. I am talking this from my own experience, experience with my family and also clients.

You can choose from variety of breathing exercises. Buddhist, Daoist, Hindu, even Judeo-Christian. Every tradition has their own versions of it, or you can just stick to Buteyko method which is more then enough for solving your problem.

Take a look at this article:
http://www.positivehealth.com/article/asthma/the-buteyko-method-and-the-importance-of-carbon-dioxide

My 2 cents. Hope it helps.

Best.
 
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