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South Devon 2015

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A regular poster sent me this...

I’m struggling to know where to begin.

The Council of Ministers met earlier this week and yesterday the details of their deliberations became known. I say that the details became known and yet they only appeared to be released piecemeal. In order to cover myself, I ought to say that it is still possible that our understanding of the position may be inaccurate, but I don’t think so.

So here goes:


Recreational sea anglers who this year have been restricted with a 3 bass bag limit will have a zero bag limit for January to June, and a 1 bass bag limit from July to December.

So for the first half of 2016, recreational sea anglers cant keep any bass and for the second half of the year, only one per day. However that is interpreted, it is a significant reduction to our access to the public bass resource for 2016 on top of the restrictions in place this year (2015).


As proposed by the Commission, commercial fishing for bass is prohibited during the first half of 2016 EXCEPT for what have been labelled “low impact bass fisheries”. We learnt that such fisheries would only be subject to closure during February & March but could continue during January, April, May and June. Initially, we assumed that ‘low impact’ fishing was hook and line fishing and whilst many of us are sympathetic to commercial hook and line fishing, we considered it manifestly unjust for commercial hook and line fishing to be allowed to take bass whilst recreational hook and line fishing – recreational bass angling - was deprived of taking even a single solitary bass.

However, imagine our dismay when we learned that not only is commercial hook and line fishing allowed to take place in the first half of the year [during Jan, April, May & June] but also gill netting had been lumped together with hook and line fishing as ‘low impact’ !

It got worse. This year (2015) gill netting was restricted to 1000 kilos monthly whilst commercial hook & line fishing enjoyed a 1300 kilos monthly limit. For 2016, gill netters have had their 1000 kilo monthly limit increased to 1300 kilos!

Here is a breakdown of commercial catches between methods of capture.



UK Trawling 147 18%

UK Pelagic trawl 57 7%

UK Netting 361 45%

UK Lines 175 22%

UK other 65 8%

Total 805 tonnes 100%



So gill netting takes almost half of all commercially landed bass in UK and twice as much as any other single method, yet is considered ‘low impact’. Go figure!




In my opinion the closure for both gill netting and commercial hook & line fishing in Feb & March will have minimal impact of overall mortality so the closure for those two months is of negligible conservation value.

So in one sentence, sea anglers have been further substantially restricted whilst gill netters have had their activities protected, enhanced and labelled as ‘low impact’!

To rub salt into the wound, our esteemed Minister, George Eustice was on BBC Spotlight last night saying that inshore gill netting of bass was a ‘low impact’ fishery. The coverage can be viewed at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06rx7b3/spotlight-16122015
The ‘fisheries’ piece is only a couple of minutes [4.15 to 6.35 on the timer]

I cant stress enough how gutted I am with this outcome and not just because recreational sea anglers have been - there is no other way of putting it – SHAFTED, but because the fragile bass stocks have also been shafted and the Minister has simply ignored the science in favour of getting the best deal for commercial fishing as though he was in Brussels fighting for his football team instead of fulfilling his role in responsible decision making for a valuable renewable public fishery resource.

Unfortunately, although this issue is about bass management for 2016, the Minister’s comments may be devastating for the CFSA’s attempts at getting improved controls on gill netting locally. Time will tell. Tomorrow, our IFCA will decide whether to proceed with a bylaw to remove all gill netting from all our estuaries. I and others will be attending and I’ll circulate the results of the IFCA meeting tomorrow.

Once I’ve calmed down, the CFSA and Cornish sea angling community will need to decide whether to make further representation to Eustice and if so, what the message should be. I cant put into print what I’d like to say to the so and so!
 
Good to see there are at least a few people still using Deeper Blue , it has been virtually dead recently ! Thanks for the comprehensive reply Alistair and much to think about now . Trelawney , I am not sure Bass are over rated ( I find them delicious ) but you are right that other fish are more of a challenge , but most people are not really looking for a challenge just a nice fish to eat after a session of diving ( or angling ). Also it has been the way for a long time now to consider a multiple bass or big bass catch to post / pose for a picture with , to be the measure of a Spearo ! ( angler ) I suppose this is now likely to change , and do not really think it is wrong if it is essential to protect Bass but it would appear not to be the case . It would be good to see catches of other species , but in the past they have been few and far between , I think many may now be looking for recipes for Wrasse !! ( only joking ) but it will be a big change for most if not all of us , can you imagine the frustration of a being in a situation where a decent bass is within range but you cannot shoot and are hoping a mullet swims closer still !! I will probably be looking for shellfish more now ......... Terry...
 
Unfortunately it's not surprising to hear of corrupt politicians ignoring scientific advice to conserve bass stocks.

Commercial fishing must put more money into politicians pockets that recreational does. Hence commercial fishing getting the bigger say. The fish probably aren't putting any money in, hence they get no say at all!
 
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Hi chaps, been offline for a while having moved to Torbay and been super busy. My wetsuit has arrived which I'm itching to try out and looks fantastic.

Happy Christmas to all South Devon spearos and a great new year.
 
Decline in fish stocks - when anyone, anywhere can eat any fish, whenever they want without casting a line or getting wet what do we expect. Until that mentality stops, everything from Tuna to mackerel are going to decline..................... rather than deal with the issue I guess its easier for politicians to move quotas about, heaven forbid that the swankiest London restaurant runs out of Bass

Merry Christmas by the way
 
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Today being the last opportunity to catch a Bass for 6 months ......I took a look at a few spots but decided against going in ( poor vis !!!) ... Meadfoot and hope cove ...Terry ,,, Happy new year !!
 
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Anyone can start one....
I do not think there is anyone left on here or most other threads to be honest ... shame .... I was absolutely amazed at the lack of posts / replies to do with the bass ban , it is probably the biggest issue for spearfishing ever , yet ........ virtually nothing !!!.....
 
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Yes mate it is a terrible shame, but if we can keep the forum ticking over - things have way of going a full circle.
 
It is a shame we can't have bass for 6 months. And there is still a few on hear

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I think the lack of posts re the Bass ban is probably weariness, every other day it seems that either the government or the eu is threatening to stop us doing this or that, or taking things away from us. I reckon people are just tired of being so overly controlled but there is one bright light in the gloom, this forum, I think its great, its a bunch of mostly strangers coming together to talk about the water activities that we enjoy, without the macho threats to beat each other up and talk about being sexually assaulted on the beach by seals, that I have seen on other forums from elsewhere in the world. Although I have actually been in tears of laughter reading some of the heated arguments found elsewhere, its hysterical...................... maybe that's where were going wrong The best one actually did contain a line about knocking out a blood stained spearo walking up the beach looking as if he had been sexually attacked by a seal, I don't do it justice but it was forum gold, it really was
 
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I have to agree it's a really good place to pick bits up

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I joined a few FB groups but I'm probably leaving FB, just have a scroll through your advert preferences and you'll see how much info they collect about you for targeted advertising....

I always thought this thread was a sensible and mature place for talking about spearing hence keeping tabs and posting!
 
and just be a bit more sneaky where they spear.

What exactly are the chances of getting collared with bass? Who can legally demand to see inside your catch bag? Surely it's not something to worry about.

The law is ridiculous and people need to continue to use their own common sense, logic, decency and sense of what's right, and catch a sensible amount of decent sized bass.

The people without scruples will be ignoring the law so I don't see why the sensible, respectful people shouldn't do the same.
 
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