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Spearfishing minus apnea. Anybody else?

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Coming from a young stud.. I find it crazy how black outs in my daily sport of JiuJitsu is perfectly normal and even joked about while in my new sport of spear fishing it is a matter of life and death... I think this is why I choose to take the sport of spearing and free diving so slow. I am in no rush to reach limits and neither should anyone. We all have different body chemistry and endurances. I think if I constantly tried pushing my limits while spearing that I would never really enjoy what I'm actually doing under there.


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You've received a lot of good advice already.

You should consider a freedive class. You should also engage in the sport with a trained buddy who will watch you and this should significantly improve your safety. The freedive safety vest is an excellent option as well.

Your goal of having fun, getting dinner and being safe is shared by most spearfisherman. Shooting from the surface is actually quite difficult because the wave action often makes it hard to aim a speargun precisely. Diving down at least a few feet, where the wave action is reduced, often makes things easier.

In many locations there is absolutely no reason to dive deep and in many places 30 or 45 seconds is more than enough to find a fish and return to the surface.

As you gain experience, you will find that time and depth are important constraints to your diving, but don't under estimate the importance of mental relaxation and calmness between dives, a good long rest interval between dives and trying to avoid kicking against a current while you rest up between dives.

Being calm and rested and not over exerting yourself before and during a dive is often much more important than the precise duration (or depth) of the dive. That is why focusing on particular times or depths while spearfishing is something to be approached with extreme caution. Spearfishing can add a lot more variables to your dive, compared to simply freediving.

Spearfishing should be done well within your comfort zone. If for no other reason than running into a problem like a line entanglement or some other spearfishing related issue, may require you to draw upon your reserves to make it back. Don't be afraid to ditch your gun, your belt or your fish, if you feel your safety is compromised.

dive safe!
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Your title is misleading. You aren't spearfishing without apnea, you're just limiting apnea to your comfort zone

Indeed. I simply meant without training in that aspect of the sport and consciously trying to push those limits. Someone who spear fishes without doing anything different than they did as a kid in a swimming pool. Holding your breath for a short amount of time and breathing as soon as you body first tells you to.

There are thousands of us who do the same thing.

That's pretty much the answer to the question I asked. I did have this idea that spear fishing was an addition to freediving and most people who speared were as interested in their free diving abilities as much as they were the fishing.

Since you seem very much concerned with safety, I suggest that you consider a Freedive Recovery Vest.

I will definitely look at these, cheers. I thought they were for the free divers that did the record attempts going up and down the lines. I didn't ever think of them as something that could be used in a more recreational way. I always assumed they had to be activated by a buddy or something.
 
You should consider a freedive class. You should also engage in the sport with a trained buddy who will watch you and this should significantly improve your safety

No, diving alone is a fundamental part of my enjoyment. It's the main reason I'm choosing to limit myself in other areas of the sport so I can still dive alone safely.

Your goal of having fun, getting dinner and being safe is shared by most spearfisherman

It is but to varying degrees. As Bill said there are a lot of gung ho spearos out there that take a lot of risks. The "it'll never happen to me" kind of mentality.

Shooting from the surface is actually quite difficult because the wave action often makes it hard to aim a speargun precisely

Also have far less of the fish to aim at if you're right above them.

Diving down at least a few feet, where the wave action is reduced, often makes things easier.

Yes. My next dive I will be working on getting myself neutral at my chosen depth so I can remain static on the seabed for 30 seconds or so. Something I haven't really managed yet.

In many locations there is absolutely no reason to dive deep and in many places 30 or 45 seconds is more than enough to find a fish and return to the surface.

This is what I was hoping to have confirmed when I wrote my OP. And the reason I'm happy with my decision to not persue freediving as a discipline.
 
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I love the look of recovery vest. I honestly didn't realise they were hi tech with depth and timer settings. I thought they were just a manual pull job.

So now for one of my questions that will have most people sighing and raising their eyebrows ....again.

Physically what are the chances of survival if you were under water and unconscious for say 10/15 seconds before the vest got you to the surface? Too much water swallowed and the damage already done? If you were diving alone I mean.
 
I love the look of recovery vest. I honestly didn't realise they were hi tech with depth and timer settings. I thought they were just a manual pull job.

So now for one of my questions that will have most people sighing and raising their eyebrows ....again.

Physically what are the chances of survival if you were under water and unconscious for say 10/15 seconds before the vest got you to the surface? Too much water swallowed and the damage already done? If you were diving alone I mean.

I hope some of the competitive freedivers will come along and answer that, but here is my cautious response. It is my understanding that the airway spasms and closes when we black out, so you are unlikely to have water in your lungs when you reach the surface. At some point the airway opens and you gasp for air. Since your head is held way above the surface by the vest, you will get air rather than water. Even if your snorkel was in your mouth, the end would still be above the water. When I've tested the vest, I've confirmed that for myself.

I've read different opinions on whether you will resume breathing on your own. If you watch video of competitions in which divers have blacked out, you will see their safety divers blowing across their faces to stimulate breathing. Recently I read somewhere that this was useless. If you are going to resume breathing, you'll do it whether or not some one blows across your face. But I have no personal experience with that so don't take my word for it.

Terry Maas, there guy who makes the vest, is a former member of the US National spearfishing team at the World Championship. He is also an oral surgeon, so he has some medical knowledge. I think I've seen him quoted as saying that the great majority of divers will resume breathing on their own.

I should also mention his opinion on the value of dive buddies. His teenage son blacked out and died while diving in very clear water off the Kona Coast of Hawaii. His buddy could clearly see him on the bottom but couldn't reach him. When you see your friend sinking or on the bottom, you aren't going to be at your best. You won't relax and breath up and perform at your best.

Another way to look at it- when your airway opens, your chances are a lot better on the surface, supported by a vest, then they would be if you were under water. And if worst comes to worst, your wife is going to want to have your body recovered. Its a lot easier to find a diver floating on the surface with a vest than it is to find him on the bottom.

By the way, while I've mentioned diving with young studs, I'm still essentially diving alone. In the thick kelp and often poor visibility of Southern California, its very difficult of use a strict buddy system. We may be in the same kelp bed, but we aren't doing the one up/one down thing. We do get together after shooting a fish that wraps up deep in the kelp. That is when we face the most danger, so most of us will call for our buddies to come over and watch us while we try to retrieve the fish.
 
The FRV is primarily designed for the recreational diver,especially spearos diving essentially alone, not the competion types. A very nice piece of kit, extremely well thought out and well made. I use mine any time I can't do a tight buddy system. If you have the mental ability to reset the vest each time you surface (I don't) its just about fool proof perfect.
 
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