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Sporasub Shoe Fins (i.e. Sporasub Revolution)

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EcchiK

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Came across these interesting fins that are now out for pre-order.

SPORASUB 2009 WEBSITE

Anyone had a chance to test these babies out? They seem pretty interesting as you should (theoretically) be much more comfortable in these guys than in standard pockets.

Not sure about the 26 degree blade angle though...seems steep.

Anyway, I just want to know if anyone's aware of them and what people think.
 
Thanks, I came across the thread earlier in a thread search but didn't bother reading the entire thread, seamed a bit long....
 
I just received my Revolution fins today. It is a pity they did not come yesterday morning before I drove 350km down to the sea. Now I am back, so won't test them before Monday's training session. And even that is not quite sure, because it looks like I caught a bad cold, and am just ready to go to bed now.

However, the fins look amazing (though my wife told they were ugly - but that must be only the jealousy!). It is a great piece of very professionally and cleanly designed and manufactured equipment.

I only find a pity, Sporasub did not design the shoe little bit differently, more streamlined - in the way I designed below. The upper picture is of their current form. The bottom one is what I think would be much better from ergonomic and hydrodynamic point of view.
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Anyway, I'll tell you hopefully Monday night how they are doing. Though I won't test them much - just a length or two. I have my DNF training and do not want to miss too much of it.

When tested dry, the fit is really nice. I bought my exact shoe size (European 42) and there is sufficient room even for a thick sock (though I tested it on bare foot only till now). Trying to kick in the air, I see, I'll have to be careful to be able keeping them without side inclination. Naturally I tend kicking with them so that the blades are slightly inclined. It would be nice if the fixing of the blade was adjustable and one could add little bit side angle (like it was the case at Lunocet).

The blade/feet angle is really impressive, and exactly what I was looking for. After training mostly for DNF this year, I changed my DYN style too, and use arm stroke, glide, double fin kick, glide, arm stroke, glide ... for which I really need fins with great angle. So let's see if the shoes do not cause too much drag, and if the fins are really suitable for DYN.

The fins also have just very tiny side rails. I may try gluing longer side rails to them later, to see if it improves the laminarity of the flow.
 
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OOOOooooohhhh!

where are they made? (is there a label saying "made in...."?)
 
Looking forward to a post on how well it performs. Could be a very good way forward for diving.
 
OK, so Monday I was too sick to go training, but I was better today, so I gave it a try. Before I go into details, I can conclude that I am still not sure what to think about them. But then I have to tell you also that I am actually rather miserable at fins testing.

I tested many different long fin models, from some old rubber long fins, over all possible plastic fins (Beuchat, Esclapez, Sporasub, Omer, Cressi, Dessault, Mares), to expensive fiberglass and carbon models (Breier, Beuchat, C4) and rarely see any difference or feel some apparent preference. It is more about being used, or getting used to one type of fins. In fact I can do practically the same maximal performance even with small rubber scuba fins, or without fins at all (my max in DYN is 125m and in DNF 116m - and paradoxically the DYN was in a 25m pool, while the DNF was in a 50m pool). So please keep on mind that I am already a very poor fin tester. Perhaps I have miserable kicking technique, or lacking observation talent.

Additionally, I really did not give them any good testing - I did just a few pool laps with them, since I actually wanted to train DNF. And I just came out of a cold, so did not feel quite fit for some intensive training. In fact I'll need to take my old fins together with these ones, and make some more objective comparison, including measuring the speed and number of kicks per lap.

So for now, at least some first impressions:

As I wrote, I was not really surprised by the fins, neither positively, nor negatively. What I found the most positive on the fins till now, was the ease of putting them on. While with classical fins I often struggle so much that I then need couple of minutes to recover from the physical effort to be able doing some serious apnea, here it is, thanks to the shoe concept, absolutely smooth and effortless.

Also, the shoes are very comfortable. Perhaps even too much - unfortunately I forgot my socks, and the shoes are sized little too big for bare feet, so the transmission was far to be optimal despite that I tried to tighten the dry zip straps quite well.

So because of the loose foot-pockets, and the missing transmission, I also lacked good side control of the blades, so their side angle was changing little bit chaotically - I did not really felt it, but saw it when a colleague tried them. Also the missing side rails may have contributed to it too (I'll probably try to glue some longer rails on them).

As for the stiffness - first of all I did a lap on surface, and had the impression the blades were rather stiff. But the surface swimming was easy. Too short though to draw any conclusions. I'd guess they must be quite good though, because of the great angle and comfortable foot-pocket.

In contrary, when submerged, they felt rather soft - softer than my plastic Beuchat's or C4 Flap 30's. It is not necessarily bad, in fact I wanted some softer fins, but may need to adjust my kicking style to get advantage of it.

My biggest interest, but in the same time also the biggest fear was the drag. On one hand, due to the huge blade angle, I hoped for easy glide, but in the same time I was quite afraid of the clumsy shoes with elevated toes, making them little suitable for good streamlining. The result of some gliding tests was rather inconclusive. As I wrote, I'll have to compare them side by side with fins I am used to, and measure the time, and number of kicks. I am not even sure about my subjective feeling - in some way the big angle makes it easier to relax during the glide phase, but in the same time, I do not have the feeling I glide better, farther, or faster.

I made no maximal attempt (being out of shape this week), so cannot tell you anything about it either. I'll make a competition next Saturday, but am little bit scared doing it with new fins without getting used to them (I'll probably not manage to train DYN anymore till the competition), so will probably use my old fins. Or perhaps I'll try them - finally the DYN result is not too important to me. Let's see later.

So in fact all this long report is relatively useless, because I did not bring you any interesting or conclusive information. I'll try to bring you some more impressions later :)

EDIT: Well, I do perhaps have one conclusion: I believe the shoe concept is excellent and can work, but needs some tweaking. First of all the shoe needs to be more streamlined and less clumsy. The toes must go down instead of upward, and the heel might be perhaps a bit more open to facilitate feet straightening.

On my mind the shoe is also little too soft and too comfortable (but maybe it was just because I did not use any sock, or because I ought to take a size smaller foot-pockets). Then, the blades need some serious rails, and could be perhaps little bit stiffer at their root (at the foot-pocket) - they are rather narrow at the fixation, and I have the feeling they flexed little too much there, reducing so the efficiency. But I may be wrong here - I need to observe it better, and make some videos too. Another thing that would be quite useful is adjustable angle, especially the side angle, but perhaps some variations in the blade angle would be interesting too - with the shoe concept it is quite well possible, so why not doing it.
 
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Another note about a small disatvantage of this concept - although the shoes are specifically designed for easy draining, and with the use of water resistant and water repellent materials, they are far to be fast to dry. While I let my classical fins in the car all the time, because they are dry within minutes after the dive, and there is no risk of building up mould, I would not risk it with the Revolutions. Since yesterday's night training I've let them out on the balcony, but after 12 hours they are still completely wet. And the weather is pretty dry and nice. I wonder how the shoes will look like after couple of months of regular use. I guess desinfecting, and soaking them with fungicide frequently may be a wise precaution to avoid problems.
 
Thanks Trux. You may not have all the answers yet, but what you noticed is a real help. I'm particularly interested in the fact that you didn't notice a marked change in performance when using them.They may be better, but not enough to make you fall in love.
Compared to your feelings about the new fins, I fell in love with my SpecialFins fiberglass blades in Picasso footpockets the first time I used them after my old Dessault fins.

Howard
 
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I'm really impressed with those pictures and what you say about photoshop! great pictures and obviously a great dive.
Now, the fins... I know there are about 3 other thread about the fins, but nobody seems to give me a solid review about how they feel and work, pros and cons and a comparison with the OMER Millenium fins... Can you do that? Thanks a lot :)
 
Well, I believe Ol Dirty Diver is bound by a contract with Sporasub, so perhaps cannot speak as openly as he would like, but if you read the previous posts in this thread, I think it includes already pretty solid review, also explaining how they feel and work, and there is also a comparison with other fins. My personal view is shown for example in the post #8 in rather big details, so just croll back and read through it.
 
I gave a review a while back in a post where I reviewed all of the new Sporasub stuff. I don't mind sharing my thoughts again though.

The shoes are great. The definitely serve the purposes they were intended...To be very comfortable, and to be very stiff and avoid flexing (a characteristic to look for in any foot pocket). Some individuals can wear their rubber foot pocket bi-fins without socks, but I can't, however I can wear the Sporasub shoes without them; they did incorporate a very comfortable material on the inside. However, if the shoes weren't a perfect fit for someone, it wouldn't be a big deal to go ahead and wear socks inside them.

The primary concerns about the shoe that I can recall are that 1) the shape of shoe would cause excess drag, 2) the material of the shoe is slow to dry and would promote stagnation.

  1. I'm no physics expert, but I don't think the shape of shoe would really have a significant impact on propulsion because there is so much turbulence behind the body and especially around the kicking feet anyway. I certainly don't feel a difference between conventional foot pockets and the shoes in this regard.
  2. Yes, the material of the shoes may take at least 24h to completely dry, but I have yet to notice any sort of deterioration or funk in my shoes after quite a bit of use. Sporasub claims they made the shoes from antibacterial materials...Perhaps it is true and quite effective?
So I have nothing but good things to say about the shoes. My only critique of the fins are the blades that came with them. The plastic blades that come stock are very soft. I actually don't like hard stiffness blades, so I usually use medium stiffness (and my OMER Rekords are on the softer side), but these Sporasub plastic blades were really soft and very easy to overpower. Aside from that, it's hard to go back to the reduced responsiveness of plastic blades when you've used carbon blades for a long time.

If you actually like soft blades, or kick great distances on the surface and only dive shallow, then they might be fine. I've dove to 30 - 40m with them and they certainly worked, but not as well as my carbon fins. I'm definitely being critical just for the sake of reviewing them though. They are still very comfortable and very useful fins. An additional benefit is that they are useful as travel fins, as the blade is affixed to the shoe by only four Allen bolts...Very easy to remove the blades. Of course it's not difficult to remove/reattach the blade and foot pocket of a conventional fin, but some times it's hard to keep the rails attached to the blades; I notice other divers fumbling with reattaching the foot pocket rails to their blades several times during a dive at times. Never an issue with the Sporasub fins.

So I think we all just wanted to see higher quality blades attached to such spiffy shoes. As it happens, OMER/Sporasub did have carbon blades in testing, and the first prototypes weren't sturdy enough, so they could only release the plastic blades while they continued to work on the carbon model. The next prototype was very reinforced...I've never seen such a thick layer of carbon at the rear end of a blade. Not surprisingly, this model was a bit too stiff. I actually got to test them and I got used to them, but I would have to admit they were the stiffest blades I've ever used. There's a reason they have to reinforce the blade this much; because of the design---the blade being attached to the shoe in a very small area, instead of across the much larger area of the rails of conventional foot pockets---it is a very high stress point. I still have these carbon blades, and I simply reserve them for my deep, pure freediving where I'm mostly just traveling up and down, not much surface swimming.

The last I heard is that they would continue to work on the carbon blade design. While there may be many out there impatiently awaiting this (or have already forgotten about it), I think it's admirable that OMER/Sporasub is putting their product through plenty of testing in order to assure that only sufficiently durable products make it to the market.

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Well, I believe Ol Dirty Diver is bound by a contract with Sporasub, so perhaps cannot speak as openly as he would like, but if you read the previous posts in this thread, I think it includes already pretty solid review, also explaining how they feel and work, and there is also a comparison with other fins. My personal view is shown for example in the post #8 in rather big details, so just croll back and read through it.
Hey, I was still critical about the fins...Didn't just gush about how superior they are. I try to be honest. :)
 
Yes, yes, I know, you are absolutely right. Now, I'd just like to know what you would tell if you wern't in any relation with Sporasub at all :)
 
Trux, I understand your concerns about non-streamline shape of those Revolution fins boots but my question is - C4's have a huge rectangular blade up to the nose of the foot pocket isn't it more waste then just boots in Revolution?
 
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