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In your opinion, with 10.000 people training with "some rope and a weight" and a buddy at 40-100 meters how many incidents would we have each year? I love freediving, but I wouldn't let my children do that. Would you blame me?
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Well, the buddy doesn't go to more than 15-20m before he/she follows the deep diver up the rest of the way when he/she returns. That's how people train in reality, also cause if a blackout occurs, it occurs shortly before the surface.
This approach to training does sound very risky, I agree, but is it different from when people go spearfishing? Any deep diver I know of (except for Pipin, apparently) doesn't start a deep diving session without having been to at least the targeted depth or a few meters less before. People know their boundaries beforehand and if someone comes with an arrogant attitude about his own limits we give him hell! We learn every newcomer the keyword 'moderation', and we learn them that in the pool before they are taken into open water. For what I know this is the basic principle of all cells of freedivers (except for Pipin and a few others that consequently see people's disrespect), and that's how freediving survives for now, until some retrival system for deep training is being made available for purchase (people are talking a lot about that these days).
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Sorry Chris, I had a close look at AIDA comps results in the last years and what I see is a few *athletes* and many *tourists*. If this is what you call "developement" of Freediving, we just have different opinions.
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Yes, that's what I call development, cause some of those 'tourists' turn into champions, like f.i. Herbert Nitsch, who did like 35 meters in his first competition and two seasons later did 86 on Ibiza. The bulk of any sport are the 'tourists' which lead the way for the champions. One doesn't exist without the other, and they make each other stronger. It ain't every runner in the world that can do 100m in 10-11 seconds.
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I'm really sorry to read that. This discipline doesn't waste anyone's time because no one is forced to practice it. Disrespect for freedivers who love freediving exactly as me and you but have different approach to this sport (from you) and want to try the Cube is unacceptable, rude and completely inconcievable to me.
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I still stand by what I said, it's an idea that completely misses the mark. Because CMAS has the possibilities she has, it's a sporting sin missing the mark like this.
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No, it's not impressive. Not at all. It's - forgive me - totally discouraging.
We have 800 spearfishers in our national competitions.....
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Spearfishing has more years on its back to gain momentum, freediving has had about ten years, starting from scratch.
Mark my words: Freediving as AIDA & FREE works with it are gonna continue to grow and they are gonna surpass the numbers of spearfishers and hockey and rugby players in the end. The foundation is broader, the interest is broader, the sporting aspect (Vitius, Altius, Fortius) is broader. Mark my words, freediving has the exact same number potential as the skiing sports. Welcome to the world.
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we need to unite efforts one of these days, CMAS, AIDA, IAFD, FREE and all.
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I agree, but showing disrespect for who has different ideas on the best way to promote freediving it's not a good beginning, in my opinion.
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I was a bit out of line there, I agree, sorry. If the people of CMAS are ignorant, they don't know any better. All you can do in the meantime is agitate. Like I do now
Chris Engelbrecht, Copenhagen
In your opinion, with 10.000 people training with "some rope and a weight" and a buddy at 40-100 meters how many incidents would we have each year? I love freediving, but I wouldn't let my children do that. Would you blame me?
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Well, the buddy doesn't go to more than 15-20m before he/she follows the deep diver up the rest of the way when he/she returns. That's how people train in reality, also cause if a blackout occurs, it occurs shortly before the surface.
This approach to training does sound very risky, I agree, but is it different from when people go spearfishing? Any deep diver I know of (except for Pipin, apparently) doesn't start a deep diving session without having been to at least the targeted depth or a few meters less before. People know their boundaries beforehand and if someone comes with an arrogant attitude about his own limits we give him hell! We learn every newcomer the keyword 'moderation', and we learn them that in the pool before they are taken into open water. For what I know this is the basic principle of all cells of freedivers (except for Pipin and a few others that consequently see people's disrespect), and that's how freediving survives for now, until some retrival system for deep training is being made available for purchase (people are talking a lot about that these days).
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Sorry Chris, I had a close look at AIDA comps results in the last years and what I see is a few *athletes* and many *tourists*. If this is what you call "developement" of Freediving, we just have different opinions.
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Yes, that's what I call development, cause some of those 'tourists' turn into champions, like f.i. Herbert Nitsch, who did like 35 meters in his first competition and two seasons later did 86 on Ibiza. The bulk of any sport are the 'tourists' which lead the way for the champions. One doesn't exist without the other, and they make each other stronger. It ain't every runner in the world that can do 100m in 10-11 seconds.
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I'm really sorry to read that. This discipline doesn't waste anyone's time because no one is forced to practice it. Disrespect for freedivers who love freediving exactly as me and you but have different approach to this sport (from you) and want to try the Cube is unacceptable, rude and completely inconcievable to me.
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I still stand by what I said, it's an idea that completely misses the mark. Because CMAS has the possibilities she has, it's a sporting sin missing the mark like this.
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No, it's not impressive. Not at all. It's - forgive me - totally discouraging.
We have 800 spearfishers in our national competitions.....
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Spearfishing has more years on its back to gain momentum, freediving has had about ten years, starting from scratch.
Mark my words: Freediving as AIDA & FREE works with it are gonna continue to grow and they are gonna surpass the numbers of spearfishers and hockey and rugby players in the end. The foundation is broader, the interest is broader, the sporting aspect (Vitius, Altius, Fortius) is broader. Mark my words, freediving has the exact same number potential as the skiing sports. Welcome to the world.
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we need to unite efforts one of these days, CMAS, AIDA, IAFD, FREE and all.
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I agree, but showing disrespect for who has different ideas on the best way to promote freediving it's not a good beginning, in my opinion.
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I was a bit out of line there, I agree, sorry. If the people of CMAS are ignorant, they don't know any better. All you can do in the meantime is agitate. Like I do now
Chris Engelbrecht, Copenhagen