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Time of lowest O2 level & BO risk?

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- Doesn't the body reoxygenate the blood in just a few seconds, so that it can hit the brain in say 5-10 seconds? (Wich it looks like on many videos).
- If the 20 sec. delay aplies, why don't we se a lot of 20 sec. delayed BOs?
I don't know that comp videos should be the sole average indicator of blackouts and recovery they are unique and controlled circumstances and since the majority of blackout deaths are from people diving alone nobody really know exact data on those. My guess is its very individual and aggravated by numerous factors and likely different sets of factors between a single comp dive compared to a recreational ocean session of a couple dozen repetitive dives different kind of fatigue etc.
 
Harsh reminder of the safety issues in freediving.

About the comp video as a sole average indicator of BOs and recovery: No, of course it shouldn't be the only source, and most like there are many variables involved. But it taps into the same discussion as in many fields of academic study: Laboratory vs. fiield studies, and the validity of laboratory research in real world. Anyway it is one good piece in the puzzle nonetheless, to know how competitiondivers react.
 
Couple of points:

1. The lowest point in O2 (ie the moment before you BO) in the dive is surely just a function of how much you push. It could be at -20m or any point before you surface and again depending of how much you pushed it could be at 1s after surfacing etc. Therefore even if it did take 20s upon surfacing for O2 to start reaching and reoxygenating the brain (which it doesn't) you still wouldn't see lots of BOs at 20s after surfacing!

2. IF the diver surfaces before a BO, it almost goes without saying that the lowest O2 point would be at some point DURING the first 20s - at what other period would it be? :)

3. The most crucial period to observe a diver in my opinion is again a function of how much he has pushed. If I announce 120m DYN and my PB to date was a borderline 100m, the safety diver should treat anything close to or over my PB with the same or even more caution that they should treat the period say between 20-30s upon surfacing.

Anyway I am stating the obvious but for me the main take away would be to not assume someone will not BO unless a good 30s or so have elapsed and that the lowest point of O2 of a dive COULD BE in some cases as much as 20s after the point of surfacing.

It would be interesting if we could somehow get some figures on how long on average it took for reoxygenation to begin upon surfacing but whatever the exact figure is it won't change anything since you can't exactly cater just for the average time (which would be less than 30s).
 
The point of lowest O2 isn't just before you black out though. It's shortly after you take the first breath, regardless of whether you blacked out or completed the dive successfully. How hard you push doesn't seem to come into it?
 
The point of lowest O2 isn't just before you black out though. It's shortly after you take the first breath, regardless of whether you blacked out or completed the dive successfully. How hard you push doesn't seem to come into it?

That is correct Dave (or maybe sometimes the 2nd breath depending on the factors like quality of the first breath, O2 debt etc?) but I was answering to why we don't see a lot of the blackouts exactly 20s after surfacing (and hence what is the most crucial period to watch someone for a BO if you are safety).

The way I look at it (correct me if I'm wrong obviously) is that since O2 keeps going down throughout the dive, there are two cases:

1. O2 reaches the critical level and you BO before you manage to reach the point in time where you start reoxygenating the brain by yourself (i.e. shortly after surfacing and breathing). These will be a decent number of the BOs and they can occur at any time before you surface or shortly after e.g. if you pushed enough you can BO the split second you surface or 0.5s after etc.

In all these BOs, the time it takes from the first breath to reoxygenation is irrelevant as you never reach it so if you push enough, you will fall into this category of BOs.

2. The second 'category' of BOs are the more 'borderline' ones where you make it to the first breath(s) but because you are not reoxygenating fast enough you still BO as your O2 keeps dropping although you are breathing.

Whether he meant it like this or not, Sebastien's article implied that assuming you haven't BOed, your O2 will continue to drop up to 20s after surfacing. If this was indeed the case (I don't know) then the lowest point of O2 would be at 20s after surfacing.

To me though, even if this was the case, it wouldn't mean that the most crucial point for a BO is 20s after surfacing. Actually the BOs at exactly 20s would be quite a coincidence as it would mean that the dropping O2 reaches the critical point for BO exactly at 20s and not before but in most cases the diver would either reach it beforehand or never reach it (in which case he wouldn't BO).

Sorry Dave, probably not making much sense, it's a long-winded way of explaining something relatively straightforward.

Ultimately I still think the time into the dive when you will BO is simply depending on how much you push. Don't see how there can be a point in time (e.g. 20s after surfacing) when you are more likely to BO than say other points in time before that.

Assuming everything else is equal (ie you always perform the same recovery breaths etc), the time to BO after surfacing should purely be driven by your O2 level upon surfacing (if you make it) which in turn is driven by how much you pushed the dive right?
 
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