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Training solo / up to 10m

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Johnniecy

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I was wondering if the danger of blacking out is still big when freediving up to ten meters, with a bottom time of one minute max.

I wear weights so that I have a neutral buoyancy at 4m.

Is it safe to do this sometimes without a buddy ?

thanks guys in advance !
 
You can drown in 5cm of water.

In your case, you're 33ft below the surface and negatively buoyant.

Now, a minute may not be long by trained Freediver standards, but the fact that you're asking this question leads me to think that you're new and not experienced.

Is it a "safe" thing to do?? NO!

If you blackout and die, will anyone ever find your body for your funeral / families sake?? Possibly not.

Are you an adult and can you make your own decisions / accept risks.., I presume so.

It's not something I'd encourage a friend / loved one to do.
 
Thank you for your response.

The reason I have asked is because for many years I was snorkelling during the summer months, almost everyday, without supervision, to depths up to 15 ft. Back then I have never come across the term shallow water black out. Despite my countless dives, never experienced such a thing.

Now I have start to immerse deeper into the subject, reading about it made me a bit paranoid.

You are right, by entering the negative buoyant zone, you gamble your life...

But I'll dare to ask, an experienced diver, will he go solo in my case without too much thought ?



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MANY spearfishermen... In fact the majority, dive to negatively buoyant "shallow" depths of -10m or so, solo or effectively solo.

Many have been doing it for years.

Most survive just fine and don't really recognize any danger.

A couple hundred a year don't.
 
I understand.

I am trying to focus on spearfishing, but mostly I enjoy to wander on the depth, getting the feel of marine life.

I've read that better train in water, dry static apnea doesn't help much, so I focus on dynamic apnea underwater.

I was doing some oxy and carbo table training on land, but quit since most argue on the subject that they don't help you much.

Maybe directing my effort on dynamic apnea exercises is a must.

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I'd do some CO2 tables still... And try to find a regular underwater hockey game nearby.

With a trained partner / buddy in a pool, you can do bottom-time hangs / statics... But safety is paramount.
 
I'd appreciate if someone mentions some good reads on hydrodynamics/relaxation/correct form of swimming underwater to minimize oxygen consumption.

I'll add co2 tables to my training. Thanks.

Also, freedivers do they follow a specific diet program ? Somewhere I came across alkaline diet plan... If I remember correctly.

I try also to meditate for some minutes everyday and make some "head to toe stress relief" exercises when I enter the blue element.

Efficiency as I see plays a big role in freediving as I see.
 
You will need the search function, but some years back there was an extensive thread that tried to establish safe(blackout proof) limits for freedivers. There was a reasonable argument that limiting the dive to 60 seconds was pretty much blackout proof. I say "pretty much" because there are some special cases where you could probably get in trouble even before 60 seconds. Not to mention, that leaves open all the other odd ball things that can kill you if alone. Also, the self discipline necessary to stick to 60 seconds is rare. Try to find that thread. Worth reading.

Diet might have some effect on the margins, not very useful for most divers.

Most efficient finning technique is going slow, a mostly straight knee, slow, moderately wide kick, using a very soft fin.

The best way to lengthen your comfortable dive time is good technique. Learn how to do an efficient surface dive, it makes a big difference. Slow down, way down. Practice head to toe relaxation over and over and over while underwater. Practice finning slowly with every other muscle in your body relaxed. Dive a lot. Master this list and you will have a very long comfortable dive time. Then, if you can limit yourself to 60 seconds, you are a better man than me.
 
You need to study Boyal's law it shows that the largest change to gas is in the top few meters. The term shallow water blackout refers to the drop on partial pressure of o2 as you come up to the surface in the shallows. As opposed to just holding your breath till you black out.
THE ONE THING YOU SHOULD NEVER DO IS FREEDIVE ALONE.
The best thing you could do is find a reputable course run by a proper training provider and learn the facts and stay safe.
You will also improve your freediving
 
THE ONE THING YOU SHOULD NEVER DO IS FREEDIVE ALONE.
The best thing you could do is find a reputable course run by a proper training provider and learn the facts and stay safe.
You will also improve your freediving

in which you will learn apart from other stuff that diving to 10m is minor freediving, as you have to exeed 12 to be a less minor and as such certified freediver.

sarcasm off...
shrek, i don't like what you do there, and i find it particularly untruthfull to suggest a prestructured course in reply to a guy who asks about limiting his performance. you know what almost all "reputable" courses are doing, and you do it yourself aparently, as an ssi instructor trainer...

"learn the facts", sure and your (or ssi's or AIDA's) definition off freediving, presented as a fact along the line. It's not right
 
To esom
Clearly the message hasn't reached you yet. People who make a habit of freediving alone are the ones ending up dead!
Here we are on a thread with a new diver and you are trying to say diving alone is ok?
This leads me to the other comment i made in my post "about getting proper training from a reputable instructor" not people like yourself on the internet.
ps. don't bother with the sarcasm no one is impressed
 
i´m not trying to say freediving alone is ok or not. actually there is good enough input here already, no need for advice in my book.

i was trying to tell you, and the people reading, that i think your post is off topic and not truthful.

you are are giving advice on the internet here ("nfa!" in capital letters), i did comment on your post.
 
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Here's the problem: you've done this already and have dived like this before and nothing's happened. So you start to succumb to the fallacy that "because it hasn't happened yet, it won't happen." I, too, have freedived to somewhat shallow depths alone - multiple dives to 50 ft, in fact - without ill effect, and here I am to write about it. That doesn't mean it's safe. It's possible to do the wrong thing many times without ill effect; then you start to think that you're smarter than all those who insist you "have" to do X - whether it's have a freediving partner, or wear your seatbelt in the car. The problem with freediving is that it can be hard to find partners, and especially trained partners, and even more especially trained partners who can dive when you can dive. Still, you should not freedive alone. Remember, partners are not there for when things go right; they're there for when things go wrong, and they go wrong when you don't expect it. After all, who would do that one more dive if they knew it was going to the the time when they would experience shallow water blackout? Just because you've done it before doesn't mean that you'll get away with it forever, and with freediving, mistakes are deadly.
 
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