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vaporizing and freediving?

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... All the stuff I had read on the internet regarding lung damage from vaping was referring to vaporized plant matter not e-cigs, he says.
Not entirely. First, e-cigarette is a vaporizer. It is miniaturized, but it is still a plain vaporizer. True, it is designed to vaporize pure substances, but you can vaporize them as well with a normal size vaporizer, which is often much more sophisticated, better controllable, and hence also safer in many aspects.

The health risks I mentioned in my previous post apply to e-cigs too. The problem is that these risks are very little studied, the time e-cigs and vaporizers are in use is rather short and statistical data about users practically nonexistent. It is true that vaporizers considerably reduce many risk factors of conventional smoking, making it so appear as a harmless alternative, and potentially leading to stronger abuse. That's probably currently the biggest risk. Well, in fact the biggest risk is that e-cigs will take over standard tobacco and ruin the tobacco industry, and cut short one of very profitable source of tax incomes for the governments, but let's aside this part.

Another health risk of e-cigs is that the cartridges and the devices are not yet under strict regulation, so they may often contain or generate dangerous substances and byproducts that may be more hazardous for your health than the product self.

However, it is likely that e-cigs will gain popularity, so perhaps in 20-50 years we'll have sufficient statistics, and will probably see some of the suspected hazards fulfilled, and other unexpected appearing.

That told, by using e-cig instead of tobacco cigarettes, or vaporizing instead of smoking, you certainly avoid a lot of ugly stuff, but it would be naive to believe that it is perfect for your health and poses absolutely no risk. The risks are simply not well studied yet, so it is premature telling it is safe. It is up to every individual to chose whether the use of the substance is worth of it or not.
 
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Speaking of what does and doesn't cause lung damage...

My friend recently found out that I collect inflatable toys. He says that that yummy vinyl smell is actually toxic gases, and that by sucking air from and sniffing them I am getting lung and brain damage :waterwork

How bad is it exactly?
 
I was not trying to joke or provoke sorry if I was giving you that impression. I will go look for information elsewhere.
 
Perhaps not so crazy. I believe there is an issue of cancers for women (& possibly infertility or miscarriage(?)) working in the manufacture of PVC (poly vinyl chloride). Don't recall all the details but it made the news in the UK some years (possibly decades) ago. Pity, it's a v. useful polymer.

What sort of inflatable toys do you collect, inflatable spearos? BTW I see the new Omer catalog offers a rubber fish target .
 
People working in vinyl factories used to get health problems. Not anymore though, now they wear protective clothing.

I have beach balls, rafts, inner tubes, noodles, animals (loads of different species!), and bachelorette party decorations. Thanks for telling me about the rubber (silicone?) fish, I took a look.
 
I am beginning to wish that I had never met this guy who worked at a chemical company. The stuff I am learning gets worse and worse.

He says that swimming in a chlorinated pool causes lung damage, and that I should minimize my exposure. Not an issue, all the champion freedivers train in pools you say? Well I'm a bit of an exceptional case.

When I swim in a pool I get sinus infections. Even sitting by the side of the pool breathing the chlorine fumes gives me a sinus infection. My doctor told me that I have a chemical sensitivity to chlorine, and to swim in chlorine-free water only. I joined the swim team against his orders; the resulting severe sinus infections nearly killed me.

After that I stayed out of pools for many years. But within the last year I started going in again, this time armed with IP6 (building block of killer cells). As soon as the sinus infection starts, I nip it in the bud by taking some of the pills. Problem solved, right?

...Or maybe not. My friend says that chlorine fumes damage the sinuses and lungs. In the general population its not significant, but in people sensitive to it it's an issue.

I'm guessing that this tissue damage he was describing, is what leads to my sinus infections in the first place. My next guess would be that if the infections are indeed an indicator of sinus damage, then what the **** is it doing to my lungs?!!!

Arghhh...
 
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(By the way I suffer from lung pain :/)

Edit-I spoke to a friend who used to be a medic about the pain and the inflatables. He strongly suspects I have lung damage. Going to doctor for scans. Oh dear god...
 
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Well, reading some of your suggestions and questions on this forum, I pose sometimes myself the same question. But then again, I am rather persuaded that you like to joke and provoke, so perhaps it is not that bad

Now that I have been diagnosed with lung damage, are you going to apologize for that less-than-nice comment?

I have never been mean to you. (Have I?)
 
I think you misunderstood, Lil. Principally I did not find silly the idea that inhaling talc and plastic vapors is damaging lungs, at all. Quite oppositely, it seams to be apparent to every rationally thinking person that anything unnatural that you put into your lungs, can damage them. What I find silly is not the question, but the fact that you do such silly things, and that you repeatedly pose this type of questions here on DB after doing it. And it is not only about balloons - you bomb us with similar silly actions and questions since a while. Just to name a few similar threads from the past, I can mention the breath-holding on pure helium and CO2, drowning games with your friend, packing addiction, freediving while being high on drugs, and many others.

So yes, Lil, I will gladly apologize once you stop doing silly things, and stop proposing them on the forum, where teens and kids read them, and seeing some experienced forum members (that they may take you for) do such things, they may decide copying such behaviour, and harm themselve seriously.
 
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Sorry if I misunderstood. Before you explained I thought that what you meant was, that I had not been doing it, and was just trying to make some sort of joke for the purpose of provoking people.

As for posting certain questions on the forum, I thought that it was wise to research everything to find out if it's safe before trying it, rather than just going ahead and doing it then suffering the consequences. (And if I read that something is bad, then I don't do it.) But because of the kids who aren't smart enough to understand stuff...in future can I PM you instead? You seem to be full of answers.
 
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If you are really so worried about kids copying everything they read on Deeper Blue then perhaps you should enforce a ban on the binge drinking/smoking talk...

Either allow adult stuff on this forum or don't, be consistent!
 
I thought that it was wise to research everything to find out if it's safe before trying it...
Certainly it is better asking before trying silly things. That's not a problem, and it is always better doing it. But in your case, you often come after trying different things that on my mind even a kid would not think could be safe. So it is a little bit surprising that a rationally thinking adult person can come to such ideas. This is why I am persuaded that you just joke and provoke us here, because I simply do not believe someone can show so much lacking common sense and judgement, while being serious.
 
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Ha, I am infamous for my complete and total lack of common sense...

All the other aspies I've met have no common sense either. Comes with the territory.
 
get off this forum bro. no one wants to hear about you and your vaporizer

Easy tiger. We don't shush people that way on this forum. Respect.

This thread has 1120 views and 3 pages of discussion. Means that someone wants to hear about her and her vaporizer, after all.
 
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Well, if you pay attention to the replies you will see that a lot of the people do not appreciate the drug references. In my opinion, it has no place here. Freediving is supposed to be a healthy way to enjoy ones life. there is no way that one could actually think that using a vaprizer could have any positive outcome on your lungs when used in the manner lildragonfly describes.
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Now this is a fair and correct comment of yours, much better than "shut up and get out", that could not be accepted here on Deeperblue.

At the end of the day, you're right about drugs and stuff. But this discussion has developed as an instructive one: it starts with a young person, our Lil Dragonly, introducing a sensible subject, concerning potentially dangerous and unhealthy behaviour, but then it ends with some wise, insightful thoughts from the community on how to deal with such things. A good discussion from this point of view.
 
get off this forum bro. no one wants to hear about you and your vaporizer

Ok let's see here...Bobdonny says that "smoking is awesome" and gets mad rep...meanwhile I ask a question about vaporizer safety and get "no one wants to hear about it"...last time I checked vaping is less harmful than smoking...stop being such hypocrites...wake up people!!!
 

Speaking of "stuff even a kid would not think could be safe"...

When I was a kid I was more interested in chasing the fish and blowing bubbles underwater than timing myself. But one day I decided to do a dry static just out of curiosity.

I looked at my stopwatch: 2 minutes.

I immediately thought, "Oh crap! That's a long time, I had better stop holding right now before I harm myself"

So I did.

Thank god I never had a timer when I was actually in the water, or my fun would have been limited.

Many years later, the internet was invented and I found Deeper Blue. I learned that long breathholds aren't bad after all. Who would have guessed?

That experience taught me a lesson: common sense is futile.

So I will continue to be curious about crazy things. But, I won't post my questions on the forum anymore. Instead I will send you a PM. And I will PM Eric, when it comes to freediving information he is THE MAN! I hope that someday I know as much about science as he does.
 
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