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Which one? Roller, double bands or triple bands?

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The main reason for adopting reverse triggers is that they are shallow and can allow the grip handle to sit higher up so that the spear axis is not far above your hand. The downside is that they only dry fire thanks to the weight of the sear lever arm as they usually have no biasing spring on that arm. Exceptions are the Sea Hornet and Biller which use a leaf spring to bias both levers, but that deepens the mechanism housing. If you want more band draw then you need a longer gun. It would be possible to bury a standard trigger in the speargun grip and fire it via a remote trigger from in front of the grip, much like a mid-handle gun using a short link or pushrod.

The sear lever pivot pin position with respect to the sear lever tooth determines how readily the sear lever rolls. On standard mechanisms it usually sits below and just behind the tooth, but on reverse mechanisms it can be found further back. This may tend to cause drag on the tooth as it tips through a smaller arc, unlike standard mechanisms where the sear lever tips through a much larger arc to let the shaft go.
 
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Here is one where he shows how larger diameter bands a essentially less effective when it comes to penetration anyway. You have to watch the video, but he concludes a 7mm shaft is best with 14mm bands. Omce shafts get larger the 14mm bands don't do as well and going up to 14.5mm does in fact work much better. So there is a mix there of common knowledge being both correct and incorrect.

Here is the one I was referencing. Maybe better to watch this one before the above, because he is showing why he prefers these 14mm bands in this one. This is where he out performs a 3 band riffe at the end which is just incredible. I am not even sure what to think about that.
 
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There is one very crucial parameter that this guy doesn't test and it is shaft velocity. It could be that the pathos shot is precise but too slow to kill fish. But with same shaft weight between the two guns i dont think this is the answer.
 
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I believe he is trying to infer shaft velocity, or momentum, using his penetration tests. He test the effects rubber diameter has on the same shaft, and finds smaller shafts penetrate better with smaller bands, which I believe you could infer it thus had a higher velocity with the smaller band. He finds larger shafts (8mm and up) simply can't be propelled as well by those same 14mm bands that we so effective with the smaller shafts.

I don't pretend to understand it all, but when i get in the water I am going to try this. My new gun is being shipped with two 16mm bands and I will probably shoot and target practice with it a while and then swap to the 14mm. I probably wont be nice enough to make a video however haha. But in any event, his videos have encouraged me to experiment with thinner, easier to load bands that may in fact be more accurate and more penetrating.
 
Has anyone ever tried making a shaft from a different material? There are plenty of alloys that are more dense than steel. If you could incease the shaft's weight while keeping it the same diameter you'd increase penetration at distance a lot.
 
Re. Spear material
My RA railgun had a spring steel shaft, possibly galvanized but not stainless. Great spear but can start to rust after a lot of use, so best to wipe with oil. Nice, big well tuned flopper.

My Omers and Apneas have stainless steel spears. The Omers are the opposite of the RA spears, very slim, small, very light flopper. The Apnea spears seem in between the two, even though slightly thicker than the RA. The Apneas also have the Rockwell hardness, HRC, etched on them
 
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