2014 lunocet

[Chipswim]

Chip, was it you that broke the sole on a set cycling shoes? If so, what brand andwhere was the break?

All my fin shoes have been Shimano the only ones to break were the only non carbon soles. They worked fine for over 100 pool trips. Because they were the first shoes since Lunocet peduncles became bullet proof or at least bullet resistant ( I haven't managed to brake this one...) And I started jumping off walls they took a tremendous beating.

Don't have the broken pair to show the same but the sole snapped near the two screws holding the shoes to the foot pad.

The shoes in the pictures with red and silver are the ones that broke. They were great till then...

My current shoes are not broken but I'm pointing to the spot where the others broke.

Probably a good discussion for noa's shoe

thread

but I haven't discovered it yet....

 

[Chipswim]

flip turns with a Dolfin: http://vimeo.com/m/41854172

Neat turns. We'd never mistake him for someone else!

 

[Chipswim]

Finswimmers do flip turns at full speed with classic monos (not sure how many laps of smacking against pool walls the monos survive ), so it is possible. But it seems to me like something that takes a lot of exertion to turn quicker, so would better, if you're going for speed rather than distance.

Avoiding the energy burst makes sense......

 

[marginatus]

All my fin shoes have been Shimano the only ones to break were the only non carbon soles. They worked fine for over 100 pool trips. Because they were the first shoes since Lunocet peduncles became bullet proof or at least bullet resistant ( I haven't managed to brake this one...) And I started jumping off walls they took a tremendous beating.

Don't have the broken pair to show the same but the sole snapped near the two screws holding the shoes to the foot pad.

The shoes in the pictures with red and silver are the ones that broke. They were great till then...

My current shoes are not broken but I'm pointing to the spot where the others broke.

Probably a good discussion for noa's shoeView attachment 37866 View attachment 37867 threadView attachment 37866 View attachment 37867 but I haven't discovered it yet....

YOu used washers under the shoes? to add angle? what's teh yellow thing?
thanks

 

[Chipswim]

YOu used washers under the shoes? to add angle? what's teh yellow thing?
thanks

Oh boy.... Mad scientist info leaking.... Yes, just playing with the washers to see if I could change the Fin angle leaving the feet. I think that small adjustment was inconsequential, but The Pro peduncle..( actually an option I think for all new peduncles) have a built in adjustment for that. Both Ted and I have had badly broken ankles in the past = poor ankle extension. The adjustment he designed can set up each foot independently! It is once again a very clever design in pictures. Haven't seen one live yet.

The yellow can be totally ignored because it didn't do what I hoped very well. It was the heaviest grade surgical tubing tremendously stretched. Remember I like LOTS of spring resistance. That actually looked kind of cool but other solutions work better. Ted now makes two higher durometer springs for those of us who prefer extra stiff. I expect to see the first of those when my Pro arrives.

You have an excellent eye for detail M!

 

[marginatus]

Oh boy.... Mad scientist info leaking.... Yes, just playing with the washers to see if I could change the Fin angle leaving the feet. I think that small adjustment was inconsequential, but The Pro peduncle..( actually an option I think for all new peduncles) have a built in adjustment for that. Both Ted and I have had badly broken ankles in the past = poor ankle extension. The adjustment he designed can set up each foot independently! It is once again a very clever design in pictures. Haven't seen one live yet.

The yellow can be totally ignored because it didn't do what I hoped very well. It was the heaviest grade surgical tubing tremendously stretched. Remember I like LOTS of spring resistance. That actually looked kind of cool but other solutions work better. Ted now makes two higher durometer springs for those of us who prefer extra stiff. I expect to see the first of those when my Pro arrives.

You have an excellent eye for detail M!

Thank you for sharing it!
Talked with Ted today and can't wait to get my Pro

 

[Chipswim]

You can see that adjustment here...... just above shoe tips. It is actually where the shoe pads bolted to the peduncle anyway, but now there is a pivot you can set to your liking. I think this may be a big deal for some of us in personalizing our Lunocet to our style or capabilities. Photo from Lunocet website.

 

[Chipswim]

Thank you for sharing it!
Talked with Ted today and can't wait to get my Pro

Any news you can share?

 

[marginatus]

Any news you can share?

Some changes were made in the peduncle to solve the issue Liljohn showed in his vid (gap/play in the transition)
There will be 2 springs available, the 3rd one was too stiff.
Spare parts/options (like springs) should be available in the site today or tomorrow.
Most important: my fin should be shipped on Wednesday

 

[Chipswim]

Some changes were made in the peduncle to solve the issue Liljohn showed in his vid (gap/play in the transition)
There will be 2 springs available, the 3rd one was too stiff.
Spare parts/options (like springs) should be available in the site today or tomorrow.
Most important: my fin should be shipped on Wednesday

Yahoo! Hope it is a winner! I'll be looking forward to your impressions!

 

[marginatus]

Yahoo! Hope it is a winner! I'll be looking forward to your impressions!

Don't hold you breath things take a while to get here but I'll share my opinions.

 

[Apneaddict]

It was me that tore the shoe-tops off of the soles. In fairness, they were already weakening and showing signs of separating. I'll just epoxy them back on and they'll be great, I'm sure.

It was with that 3rd "stiffer spring". I guess you could call it a spring... More like a brick.

The peduncle didn't flex at all and the foil (first time with the larger pro flukes) went into a massive stall and in the pursuit of greater speed, I powered through it and tore the shoes apart! LOL

The other 2 springs will work great for our use. The stiffest spring was an experiment.

I can guess that those with lots of knee bend would benefit from a stiffer setting, particularly on the classic flukes.

Going at about 1 m/sec efficiently on the classic flukes will teach you good technique. Fondueset has incredible technique. Copy his!

 

[Chipswim]

The stream of ideas flowing back and forth between Ted and Lunosapiens is in no danger of drying up!

I have to marvel at his ability to stick with his grand designs.. mix in a few whims from his customers / swimmers and get out the door with Lunocets that are nothing less than works of Aquafunctional art!

If you are considering getting one rest assured the ideas have been taken to the edge..... Even beyond the edge over and over to get to the Pro being introduced now.

As an example in the search for the range of spring flexibility differing swimmers would prefer I am an example of very very stiff. Ted kindly made stiffer and stiffer till one was finally toooooo stiff then backed off a little bit and offers a range of springs you may choose.

The white spring pictured was clearly beyond the useful range, but I hope you find it valuable to know that it was made and tested. You know your spring / setting is too stiff if there is high stroke resistance not amply rewarded with propulsion. The set up was still swimmable

but it only lived for about an hour and twenty minutes.

Come to think of it the shoes died shortly there after.... May be a connection?

 

[Ted Ciamillo]

The stream of ideas flowing back and forth between Ted and Lunosapiens is in no danger of drying up!

I have to marvel at his ability to stick with his grand designs.. mix in a few whims from his customers / swimmers and get out the door with Lunocets that are nothing less than works of Aquafunctional art!

If you are considering getting one rest assured the ideas have been taken to the edge..... Even beyond the edge over and over to get to the Pro being introduced now.

As an example in the search for the range of spring flexibility differing swimmers would prefer I am an example of very very stiff. Ted kindly made stiffer and stiffer till one was finally toooooo stiff then backed off a little bit and offers a range of springs you may choose.

The white spring pictured was clearly beyond the useful range, but I hope you find it valuable to know that it was made and tested. You know your spring / setting is too stiff if there is high stroke resistance not amply rewarded with propulsion. The set up was still swimmableView attachment 37870 but it only lived for about an hour and twenty minutes.View attachment 37871
Come to think of it the shoes died shortly there after.... May be a connection?

Chip,

You need to change your name to LunoButcher

 

[Chipswim]

 

[Sarcomere]

Ordered a pro prototype last week, hopeful but doubtful of having it for my Turks and Caicos trip the second week of March. Loved reading the conversation and excited to try out the fin!

 

[Chipswim]

Ordered a pro prototype last week, hopeful but doubtful of having it for my Turks and Caicos trip the second week of March. Loved reading the conversation and excited to try out the fin!

Perfect!

 

[neurodoc]

Sarcomere...love your user name!

 

[Sarcomere]

Thanks neurodoc! I'm an MSK radiologist, though it was fitting

 

[Fondueset]

A few remarks - regarding flip turns - there is a difference between fin swimmers and free divers. Freedivers are going for distance - fin swimmers for speed. Chipswim - my best time no-fins dolphin kick is 16 seconds for 25 - i can do it as slow as about 25 and could probably do a little faster than 16 if I worked at it. I don't focus much on sprinting. You'll learn a lot about hydrodynamics by trying to go slow. A good swimmer with one of those little finis mono fins can do 25 in 10 seconds. The record, with a sprint stiffness mono fin - for 50 meters - is a little over 13 seconds.