AIDA Indoor Freediving World Championship 2009 - Århus

[Stavros]

Hi all,
we 've had a nice start to the day - everybody is off to lunch now to eat organic healthy stuff provided by the catering (which everybody loves but I find it impossible to safety or freedive without milkshakes and burgers and junk).

There have been several protests from athletes but also one funky protest from a judge.

See Attached Protest

I am off to eat organic stuff since no serious junk food is available...

 

[Stavros]

I also found a cool add movie from the catering company taking care of feeding the athletes and organisers here at WC09

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmXxrMC5Pv4]YouTube - Chinese Food / Cat's In The Kettle[/ame]

 

[GreG.]

Unfortunatly for Linda, judges can't make protest :head

Hey Linda... Silicon and freediving are compatible :chatup

 

[cebaztian]

Right now CMAS DYN is underway. A silent gloomy feeling has filled the hall. A guy with megafon in hand walks alongside the edge (they only use one lane), there is also a guy with a round float walking by the lane, side by side with a guy with a long sparr with a yellow metal frame. Looks like a little army tropp. A doctor with oxygen bottle in hand is obliged to walk alongside the athlete. Looks very serious, like someone is putting their life at danger.
The athlete drops a small tiny weight that decides the distance and then surfaces, while the guy with the megafone counts up to 5, after that the athlete is suppose to touch the metal frame that is held up in front of him.
During safety diver training we saw the prceedure of handling BO. The athlete is grabbed and RIPPED out of the water and in full length placed along the poolside. And doctor rushes forward as if he would die if he stayed in water and wasnt checked by a doctor.

 

[GreG.]

Can you make a short movie of it using a simple photo camera ?

 

[TimoP]

Right now CMAS DYN is underway. .... A doctor with oxygen bottle in hand is obliged to walk alongside the athlete. Looks very serious, like someone is putting their life at danger. ....
During safety diver training we saw the prceedure of handling BO. The athlete is grabbed and RIPPED out of the water and in full length placed along the poolside. And doctor rushes forward as if he would die if he stayed in water and wasnt checked by a doctor.

CMAS seems to take extremely serious "normal" BOs. If there is a BO, it doesn't DQ only that performance, it means more. They really want that freedivers try to avoid BOs and sambas. Maybe they in CMAS take it too serious and even handling BOs "wrong"... But also: are BOs in AIDA competitions coming too common? And what will be the right way with BOs/DQ. Too many BOs are not good for public image of freediving. I think there is a major BO problem in AIDA freediving competitions, just think about males' DNF qualification heats seen in this WC.

And about AIDA DQ:s: it's a red card, if a coach touches you OR you get a very bad BO. No difference for result or further heats. An AIDA doctor can say no for further performance on that day after a bad BO, but it's not so common I guess. And a red card for touching, is it too hard for a competitior who has trained so long and hard for just that performance? Would an yellow card be enough, if it's not a sure helping case? It's an AIDA rule issue to think about. Ofcourse it can be a white card or by a protest it can become an OK performance, if it's really minor or unsure case.

 

[GreG.]

In France, during the last 2 pool competitions, the competition comitee (with doctors) decided what after the dive if he a freediver needed more than a simple safety freediver (typicaly if he is not recovering in the water), he would be disqualified for all the competittion.

In an individual WC... i don't know what we could do. But it means that to our (french) point of view it is a problem...

Note :
1 BO for 120 starts during last competition in Marseille

 

[sgnips]

please, send updaters from the CMAS side too, i possible
thanks

as for the CMAS protocol yes, it's a bit funny, you are counted 1-2-3-4-5, then they give you the yellow disc and you are supposed to touch it during the very next 5 seconds

 

[GreG.]

Any start list somewhere, announcements ?
:t

 

[rxcnc2]

There have been several protests from athletes but also one funky protest from a judge.

So that's what she's doing, instead of writing her blog! :naughty

But a protest is 50Eur no? How much is a boob job nowadays? (not that I am encouraging it, I find Linda-sized women the best)

 

[martin_gk]

Here is a small video of the exit in the CMAS qualification.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwxv_biAitk]YouTube - CMAS Worls Championship dynamic qualifications - Aarhus, 21.08.2009[/ame]

After touching the yellow disc the coach is allowed to grab the athlet and secure him on the edge. It is true, though that the penalty for a BO in CMAS is quite high.

 

[rxcnc2]

CMAS seems to take extremely serious "normal" BOs.

Definitely. If you get a BO, you are out for six months.

About protocols, I find that's there's some good and bad in both the AIDA and CMAS ones. I would be very glad to see an effort to unify them.

About the little weight used in CMAS to measure the distance, I have written pages and pages already about how unrealistic it is to measure with centimeter accuracy and how illogic it is. Not to mention if you forget to drop it...

 

[MikkoP]

But probably the ever best moment of the day was the surface protocol of Mikko! He surfaced with relatively bad samba, had big troubles to climb on the side rope, almost dropped twice under water trying to get on it, then could not find his goggles, sliding again, unable to put the goggles up with one hand, the trying another, in between fighting with pulling some hook breath, then finally managed to pull the goggles and nose clip down - everybody thought he won't manage to finish the SP, but to everyone's surprise he suddenly woke up, showed the sign, and with an absolutely cool, stoic, loud, and theatrical voice, under the best control that no TV announcer needed to be ashamed of, he told the magic "I am OK" and shot a charming smile to the judge, as if he wanted to tell "don't worry - it was just theatre for amusing the public". We all exploded in laughing.

Haha, a nice description!

My plan was to make a clean and secure performance, even if that wasn't enough for the medals. Actually the last thing I wanted to happen was to have a bad samba in the world championship finals. Apparently the hypoxic version of me had very different kind of plans. :head

But at least I could offer some entertainment for the crowd. :t

 

[TimoP]

About protocols, I find that's there's some good and bad in both the AIDA and CMAS ones. I would be very glad to see an effort to unify them.

These CMAS + AIDA competitions are good for opening eyes both in AIDA and in CMAS. Some things, "we" or "they" are used to, maybe are not just that clever. Both have same targets (safety first and fair rules) in a same kind of freediving discipline, but somehow they do it in a very different way.

Now I'm even less sure that AIDA's: Same penalty from a minor coach touching, a minor airway dipping and a really bad BO is absolutely the best and fair rule for competitors. The difference to CMAS rules is huge. In CMAS rules there is obviously something a little strange too, as I noticed from descriptions, for example dropping a weight to the bottom for measuring the distance, and a little abrupt procedure for handling a BO. And that yellow disc, compared to doing an OK-sign, which is an important sign used in any diving, it's really not an AIDA thing only.
Maybe learning from each others would be a good thing?

And I'm really glad that AIDA and CMAS has WCs in the same place in the same time. BTW, think about organizers after that big robbery: they didn't have to manage just a World Championships, their have two of them in the same time! Just one hour delay in almost a Force Majeure-situation. RESPECT!

 

[rxcnc2]

Absolutely.

And may I remind: 27-29 November in Lignano the same AIDA+CMAS competition will be organized like last year (with the same big cash prizes and especially the same tons of fun!)

 

[pim]

1 Carolina González Iglesias F Spain 135,05m
2 Sertan Aydin M Turkey 121,67m
3 Goran Colak M Croatia 204,05m
4 Bjarne Brynk Jensen M Denmark 85,28m
5 Ozge Ergin Elalmis F Turkey 139,69m
6 Raquel De Ana Fernández F Spain 93,53m
7 Monica Barbero F Italy 171,97m
8 Antonio Garcia Abilleira M Spain 150m
9 Alexis Benedicto Martin M Spain 81,58m
10 Francesca Scolari F Italy 159,15m
11 Y.Tunç Ertuz M Turkey 150m
12 Alfredo Rosado M Ecuador 161,44m
13 Marc Fournier M France 174,62m
14 Natalia Babich F Russia DQ
15 Magda Milas F Croatia DQ
16 Lidija Lijic F Croatia 161,19m
17 Carine Tassain F France 134,30m
18 Davor Franicevic M Croatia 193,63m
19 José Gabriel Arcos Soto M Spain 166,77m
20 Roberta Arellano F Ecuador 14:13 150m
21 Sahika Ercumen F Turkey 14:20 DQ
22 Pedro Delgado Meza M Ecuador 14:27 118,95m
23 Tomislav Svilicic M Croatia 14:34 DQ
24 Katty Macias F Ecuador 14:41 159,12m
25 Devrim Cenk Ulusoy M Turkey 14:48 177,61m
26 Svetlana Osipova F Russia 14:55 165,72m
27 Michele Tomasi M Italy 15:02 197,44m
28 Lorenzo Hidalgo M Venezuella 15:07 157,94m
29 Stig Åvall Severinsen M Denmark 15:12 200m
30 Gilda Rivadeneira F Ecuador 15:17 159,61m
31 Georgette Raymond F France 157,4m
32 Christophe Bruel M France 174,46m
33 Helena Serdarevic F Croatia DQ
34 Karla Mendez F Venezuella 138,25m
35 Charlotte Eisenhardt F Denmark
36 Elsa Gaure F France
37 Michele Fucarino M Italy

 

[rxcnc2]

thanks Pim, keep them coming!

 

[trullalla]

So that's what she's doing, instead of writing her blog! :naughty

But a protest is 50Eur no? How much is a boob job nowadays? (not that I am encouraging it, I find Linda-sized women the best)

sorry, rxcnc2, but they keep me locked in that humid crowded pool for 15 hours a day, together with kimmo and his 2 weeks used socks which are growing mushrooms, and no vodka available:in these conditions i cannot concentrate enough to write the blog.
and since i'm poor i cannot afford plastic surgery. that's why i'm looking for a rich husband.

 

[trullalla]

and about cmas, i think the funniest thing is that they need 10 people per lane: camera, doctor, however many judges, however many safety divers, plus the ones removing the platform and the rope at the start, the guy with the laser, and the one with the yellow plate.i guess it might work as long as they have WC with 30 people and use max 2 lanes. (they cannot use middle lanes, because of their safety protocol, and because the poor guy carrying the yellow plate with a 10 meter long stick would die of a cardiac arrest after each official top, which would require extra doctors and extra yellow plate carriers, and lots of money for the insurance)

 

[trullalla]

pim, did you recover from your senility yet?