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Breath hold training for spearfishing?

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Joao Pedro

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Hello guys,
I want to increase my breath hold for spearfishing. Should I train static holds or dynamic? Also, one thing I don't know, apnea walk would be kind of a dynamic training? Should I work on tolerance? In general I'm a little confused about how to train! Unfortunately, I don't have acess to a pool, so the ideal would be anything to apply daily and dry. Thank you for your attention!
 
Hi Pedro, I generally re-direct questions on breath-hold training to the freediving section of this forum, as the competition freedivers have spent a lot of time thinking about this, trying different things and evaluating their relevant benefits & disbenefits/dangers.

Also, several forum members are qualified trainers. Training can provide safety as well as performance information & experience.

A word of warning: if you do eventually train at a swimming pool , even if it has fit, well-trained, diligent lifeguards, you still need to have a vigilant training partner, capable of helping you immediately if you blackout (read up on Shallow Water Blackout).
 
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BTW I tend to spearfish alone, so have taken a conscious decision not to train to overcome my body's natural defences, nor to push breathhold (i.e. the durations of my "down times"). Instead I just spearfish. I have observed that:

1. During he course of a dive (typically of 2-4 hours), my down-times naturally increase during the course of a dive, as I start to relax, get used to the conditions (temperature, chop, light, water murkiness, etc.). The first dive is almost always short & later ones usually much longer & more relaxed.

2. During the course of the fishing season my down-times naturally increase.

Although this is a slower process, I find it suits me & my situation.

I sometimes think back to the late, great Peter Livsey ("the father of modern rock climbing"), who said "the best training for climbing is climbing".
 
BTW If you dive with a "buddy", you both also need to have/develop an effective system to ensure that:
(1) you don't spear each other and (2) know how to assist your buddy if something goes wrong (e.g. Shallow Water Blackout). That might include things like:
1. immediately noticing when something is wrong
2a. finding &
2b. recovery them (e.g. freeing dive belt/vest)
3. resuscitating them
4. getting help

re. 2a may be trivial is your partner is at the surface, less so if they are down in murky water.
 
Sorry, I was in doubt if I should post on freediving or spearfishing, since I asked some question on that section I thought it was better to put here! My excuses anyway!

So yea, I'm diving with my brother buwedare both beginners, I read a little about SWB, and it seems it's more likely to happen when you hyperventilate and in very low o2 situations. So with that in mind, my personal diving procedures for safety would be not hyperventilating and not forcing very long holds. Still, I think it's important we know how to act if something goes wrong. But honestly, what i really woukd like is to be able to have a longer breath hold, so I can hunt safely and productive without putting myself in risk.

Unfortunately, due to college I can only dive in weekends, so I'm looking a good dry training, if it is possible! Thanks X!
 
Somewhat depends on what kind of spearfishing strategy you are using, active or passive hunting. Static training is good for passive (aspeto), Apnea walking is good for active hunting.

I'll assume you are doing a bit of both. Try apnea walking, on something soft, with a buddy, you can pass out. Good training for active hunting and builds co2 and 02 tolerance. I'm lazy and mostly work on improving my DR. An easy morning drill is lay on the floor, full exhale, ( add some reverse packs slowly over months), then go into a diaphragm stretch and hold as long as reasonable. When you stop, and sometimes during, you can feel blood shift. Keep doing it every morning and you are training your DR. Works for me. Be careful with full exhales, especially with reverse packs. Its actually possible (and not that hard) to squeeze yourself during dry exercises. Not a nice thing.

Lots of info on these forums about both of these techniques.

Connor

Strong recommendation to develop a safe buddy spearing routine. As you get better at breath hold, BO becomes a significant issue.
 
Thanks Connor! Sorry but I really have to ask, what is DR? Tried to google "DR freediving" all I got was doctors especialized in freediving biomechanics :D . Have a good day!
 
Sorry, too much jargon. DR = Dive reflex, blood shift is the most obvious physiological marker.

Its a good idea to learn how to use the Deeper Blue Search. Its a little clunky, but will save you lots of google time.
 
If there one thing that separates beginners from people who dive alot, it's this breath hold thing.
As has been said, you dive within your limits and, spearo's, unlike freedivers, dive alone or in groups too loose for buddy diving. Sometimes from boats you might do one up one down diving but it's not standard.

That aside, look, your dive will improve throughout the session until you start to get dehydrated OR tired. Either way, listen to your body!

The main point here is that actually, you do NOT need long dives to catch fish.
All this 2 minutes plus stuff might be fine in the warm clear seas of far off but, take those same divers and they are 'knackered' in our dark cold seas where you can't see the bottom in 5 or 6 mtrs. This alone can cost you 50% of your so called 'bottom time'.

In murky water, in the right place, you might dive 10 meters, wait 10 -20 seconds and trust me, outside of waiting for a black bream or seeing IF a bigger bass might show in a shoal coming too you, perhaps you've dived on a shoal of pollack once too often but, inside a 1 minute or at most, a 1:15 dive, at under 10 - 12 meters, you've spent all the time down you need to catch fish. Yes, really.

You need to come up, relaxed, not reaching, or finning hard because you pushed it. That type of effort compounds on each subsequent dive and if you relax, you simply see more fish. Get into hunting mode and super active, anxious and mega awareness mode and forget it.

Just dive, a good duck dive will see you pass 5 mtrs and, drop to the bottom. That's 15 seconds to hit 10 meters MAX. Line up, lay down and wait. do NOT MOVE around scanning !!!!

That simply burns air and warns fish!

Relax and use your peripheral vision. If you see a fish, wait for it to come TO YOU.

Technique I would say, and being relaxed, hydrated and did I say, relaxed, is FAR more important than bottom time.
Most of my fish last year came inside a minute. Not all, but 70% easy.
 
Nice tips, myfish. The reason I asked is that my bottom time is really really low, will sound ridiculous if I mention here. If I do a static hold on my bed fully relaxed, I can do about 1:30, but in the water as I descend with poor technique and poor relaxation probably. I guess my bottom time is 7-15 seconds.

Interestingly, I was focused on being relaxed on my dive, but I guess I have to improve that, taking easy of course :D. It's funny because maybe I was thinking too much on relax, and that made me not relax (haha)! Or peharps I was trying to relax wrongly! I don't know, my next move is search for a good personal plan to relax.

Also, in this dive I realized how much I moved muscles that I really didn't had to use, mainly my arms, probably because of poor balancing. My duckdiving is bad and maybe I'm wasting a lot of energy in it!

You know, off-topic, I had been addicted to gaming in the last years, I break free almost 2 months now. I'm being able to get back to the ocean, surfing and now beginning freediving/spearing. I'm so happy in general because I really love being in contact with ocean, have a huge respect for it, and it seems that freediving matches very well with surfing. I just can't thank enough the help this forum provides me, I'm really grateful.
 
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1. During he course of a dive (typically of 2-4 hours), my down-times naturally increase during the course of a dive, as I start to relax, get used to the conditions (temperature, chop, light, water murkiness, etc.). The first dive is almost always short & later ones usually much longer & more relaxed.

2. During the course of the fishing season my down-times naturally increase.

You can kick-start your dive response at the beginning of a session by doing potatoes.

What this entails is diving down to a comfortable depth and then ascending very slowly. What I normally do is tie my float line to a rock at the bottom (a kelp frond or boat anchor rope also works well) at a depth of around 7 meters then ascend hand over hand. Literally grasp the line with your left hand and place the right hand at the top of where the left one ends (one potato over the other :)) and in this way ascending as slowly as possible.

That first ascent is usually pretty uncomfortable but doing a potato dive will make the subsequent dives a lot more comfortable and will give you the advantage of reaching your optimal bottom time pretty much at the beginning of your dive session.
 
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Nice tips, myfish. The reason I asked is that my bottom time is really really low, will sound ridiculous if I mention here. If I do a static hold on my bed fully relaxed, I can do about 1:30, but in the water as I descend with poor technique and poor relaxation probably. I guess my bottom time is 7-15 seconds.

Something else to also consider is doing a proper surface interval. The difference between spending 30 sec on the surface after a dive and spending 2 minutes is massive.

If there is a lot of action on the bottom I sometimes still over-amp a bit and dive down too soon. I can then immediately see and feel the difference in my bottom time.

A dive computer really helps in this regard.
 
If there is a lot of action on the bottom I sometimes still over-amp a bit and dive down too soon.
Oh, I tend to do that also (like any beginner), but I've learned that doing that will not end with fish in my spear; only with frustration!
I use a simple water resistant watch to monitor my surface time, because I tend to loose the sense of time when in the water.

Off topic : About loosing the sense of time in the water
I was spearfishing about 400m away from shore, with my parents on the beach. When I've returned after 4 hours, my mother was very stressed about "what have you done for 4 hours? we were worried, etc etc.". Next day I gave her a pair of goggles and a snorkel; she was swimming around in 1 meter of water watching at small fishes and crabs. When I've showed her the watch (she spent 3 hours in the water!), she couldn't believed it.
 
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The only thing I do is ::) st try to drift off into a sleep like state. If youve ever done a yoga class and at the end of the class you lie on your back feeling completely relaxed. Thats the feeling I wait for right before I dive.

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I have to dive with a pile of gear on:16-20lbs and 7-10mm suits. It took me hundreds of dives and luckily some good training from Kirk Krack and a few others to master it.
I can't overemphasize the importance of a clean, 1-leg (bi-fins) streamlined and relaxed dive that is a perfect 90degrees straight to the bottom. This will save O2 as stated in earlier posts.
If you can't get some training, at the least do some line training to get a feel for "straight down". It's surprising.
Mostly ; don't overthink it. Have fun and be in the moment; pay attention to your body slipping through the water, get in predator mode and don't ever push depth or time if you're alone.
Cheers.
 
Hey guys, latelly i've been feeling a lot cold in the water, even looking to sunny parts of the ocean haha. I'm using a 2mm closed cell surfing wetsuit, but there is so much water moving around my back and torso and i can't stand much time if water is 19 degree celsius. I'm really thinking of getting a open cell 3mm asap, unless cold doesn't affect breath hold at all. Any tips about that?
 
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