Well said Mr Mike Bradshaw.
http://underwaterfishi.10.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=1518#1518
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Agree with you there Podge - just fyi he's the chairman of the LIC
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Competitive Wrasse Killing by default?
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Agree with you there Podge - just fyi he's the chairman of the LIC
Hey James/Podge. its an excellent post from Mike and I particularly like the comment "Go backwards and more will vote with their fins ,progress and more will join in!"
I dont think any of the LIC want to see things go backwards.
I dont think any of the LIC want to see things go backwards.
Don’t tar all BSA members with the same brush remember the debate three years ago where the EU almost got spearfishing banned though the back door on an anti whaling law. The BSA as the representing body for spearfishing in this country headed by the then secretary KM led the campaign to get the law overturned. Take a look at what we have achieved over the last few years and you will see we have restricted our catches and award points for every new species. As Colin said if you feel strongly enough come to the meeting keep a level head and help make decisions that will help to keep our sport heading in the right direction.
hi jonny can you tell me y your perplexed about the gps rule i am at the meeting tomorrow i need to know b 4 daveo
Eric we dont need to shoot wrasse it wont go through if it does good bye BSA u are digging one big hole Dave ocallaghan chairman exe spearfishing club
Hi David, i do realise these are just suggestions and apologise if i came over too strong in my previous opinion!!
With regard to the suggestion of not allowing GPS, i consider it to be a basic bit of safety kit. In the past (in paragliding) i have been involved in quite a few rescues where GPS coordinates have allowed fast and efficient rescues, including myself a few times lol (glad & sad to say!). I pretty much always have it when spearing from the yak and would certainly do so in duplicate from a boat. of course you also need a vhf or phone to pass on coordinates!
From a technological and from a competitive point of view, i struggle to see what advantage one competitor can gain as they are so abundantly available now. But perhaps that's just me. my main issue was one of safety and i would be perplexed by a rule that, in effect, reduces a safety margin.
trouble is, i would probably propose a rule to require a marine vhf to be carried too lol...
I hope the meeting goes well, you have my respect.
Hi jonny, thanks for your input. I see where you're coming from. I will use your views, I will say in my view it's not a safety point on the gps. thanks Daveo
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My 2 cents: I fish for food. I am against the proposal to allow wrasse in spearfishing competition. I thought it was a good thing when they were removed (last year/the year before?)*. They are usually pretty docile and it is not particularly sporting/good sport. They also perform a cleaning function for other fish & the marine shore-line environment, as well as providing welcome colour in our dull, too often lifeless waters. However, I welcome the BSA's open discussion - transparency is good and democratic.
I think people will disrespect competition spearos if they take wrasse. Other spearos and anglers, because they are considered "an easy catch" and/or "inedible". SCUBA divers because these docile fish provide welcome colour, pattern and life around dull British shore.
As spearfishermen, we can be selective and sustainable - we can and should take the moral high ground.
*The late, great OldManDave and Robbo66 made quite compelling cases at the time for not taking large numbers of fish, especially wrasse, which many incorrectly consider inedible, because it is very bad PR, not to mention environmentally and ethically questionable at best.
.I think people will disrespect competition spearos if they take wrasse. Other spearos and anglers, because they are considered "an easy catch" and/or "inedible". SCUBA divers because these docile fish provide welcome colour, pattern and life around dull British shore.
As spearfishermen, we can be selective and sustainable - we can and should take the moral high ground.
*The late, great OldManDave and Robbo66 made quite compelling cases at the time for not taking large numbers of fish, especially wrasse, which many incorrectly consider inedible, because it is very bad PR, not to mention environmentally and ethically questionable at best.
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Yes, commercial fishing is the real elephant/gorilla in the room. For perspective, all the spearos in Britain combined take far less fish in one year that a single trawler will disgard in a single day.
I note that that the "The Independent" did a strange, belated but welcome expose of reprehensible fish by-catch/discarding this week (but what's new - the other papers have covered this over the last decade). However, I suspect that's only the half of it (no pun intended, they reported that 50% of caught fishes are discarded, many of them dead or damaged). We already know that more than 80% of fish caught around Britain and landed is sold abroad. Many supermarkets now include fish stalls with sometimes impressive displays of fish, yet much(/most?) of it seems to go unsold. Certainly some of it is starting to look a bit dry and/or old when I see it. I am beginning to suspect that only a small percentage of landed fish is eaten (could it be that commercial fishers are wasting, say, 90% of fish?).
hi scott thanks to exe club and lic we kicked it out no wrasse fishing Daveo
well it did go on a bit all had there say common sense won in the end. My words were we wont new members in the bsa let this one pass you have no chance .I hope all my friends on DB much happier now i am cheers all Daveo
When I started spearing I found the BSA website and signed up to the forums. I didn't join as a member as I really couldn't see myself getting to any competitions and that seemed to be the main focus of the organisation. Then I saw a link in somebody's post to DB and found this great site which has everything a spearo needs - information, discussion, enviromental concern, celebration of success, educational disaster stories, piss taking and friendship. All this costs only $10 a year if you sign up as a supporter compared with £30 to join the BSA.
I do think it would be good if spearfishing had a stronger national voice but a big shake up would be needed before people are going to join in large numbers as a lot of us really aren't into competitions and DB is already ticking a lot of the other boxes.
Great work on the wrasse decision though
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They are good points you make there and I too have got alot out of DB and I also take alot out of my Club the LIC and the BSA in different ways: through teaming up with some great Spearos (much better than me anyway,) learning first hand from some of the older spearos in the UK with a real depth of knowledge and experience from years and years of practice (many of them go no where near a computer or use internet forums.) One of the benefits of the BSA is the third party insurance which provides for accidents occuring whilst spearfishing e.g. spearing someone or hitting them in your boat.
Anyway - to each their own, the BSA and clubs are another resource if you fancy them.
Ahh - just saw Kev made same point
Anyway - to each their own, the BSA and clubs are another resource if you fancy them.
Ahh - just saw Kev made same point
For a newbie starting out, DB is like hitting the jackpot. Everything from rigging a gun to local dive spots to finding the right suit and meeting up with local spearo's can be found in the thousands of threads readily available to anyone for free.
I honestly believe that if the BSA had a more active forum they would have more members but you often see posts on there going unanswered which might possibly put people off.
Personally Im going to join the LIC as I know they keep in contact with there members via email and its a very active well run club.
I honestly believe that if the BSA had a more active forum they would have more members but you often see posts on there going unanswered which might possibly put people off.
Personally Im going to join the LIC as I know they keep in contact with there members via email and its a very active well run club.
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