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Discussion on hypothesized ancestral human cyclical ARC dive-foraging
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, There was no answer in this thread for more than 60 days.
It can take a long time to get an up-to-date response or contact with relevant users.
It can take a long time to get an up-to-date response or contact with relevant users.
That's how the scientific method works, right? You'd have to be a fool and a communist to disagree.
Watch out, if you continue to behave like this, Wet will put you on his special "banned" list, like I have been. To insistently and consistently ask for logic reasoning and evidence is not how his AAH works. It is more of a religious thing. The high priest of the AAH makes a bald assertion and you have to believe it will all your hart, or you will be kicked out the congregation.
By the way: Yeah, I've been the first one kicked out by Wet. *Victory dance*:king:thankyou
Yes, I really have noticed that. Mixing believe in your heart and pseudoscience is something that give really changes and choices to claim anything you WANT TO BELIEVE. No wonder that some of the main AAH priests are professional creative writers. AAH gives so much easy and exhilarating ingredients for fantasy toughts.
AAH is a nice story or even hypothesis, but the way it is said to be real science already, is quite wrong.
It's just like this:
It's sure you didn't suit to AAH and to his purposes, so what will he do?
He ignores you.
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Orangutans have confounded naturalists by learning to swim across rivers and to fish with sticks:
Swimming orang-utans' spearfishing exploits amaze the wildlife experts - Times Online
Wildlife experts were astonished to see the orangutans' aquatic display in a river on Borneo:
The orangutans who overcame their fear of water (and crocodiles) to swim in search of food | Mail Online
Dailymail:
"However, we know that orangutans are intelligent and innovative.
'They try out different behaviours, or ways of solving problems in their environment, and over time develop cultural innovations."
(meaning like using swimming - or even spearfishing(!!!) like said in another article - to get food)
Yes, probably because they are hominoids like humans.
Also humans (e.g. freedivers and spearfishers) tend to be intelligent and innovative and try out and learn things to become better (freedivers and spearfishers). And wet, you are very innovative, no guestion.
"However, we know that orangutans are intelligent and innovative.
'They try out different behaviours, or ways of solving problems in their environment, and over time develop cultural innovations."
(meaning like using swimming - or even spearfishing(!!!) like said in another article - to get food)
Yes, probably because they are hominoids like humans.
Also humans (e.g. freedivers and spearfishers) tend to be intelligent and innovative and try out and learn things to become better (freedivers and spearfishers). And wet, you are very innovative, no guestion.
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Which is a victory for me. It means he can not even answer basic questions or provide critical evidence. If he ignores me for this reason, he is just like a little kid, stuffing his fingers in his ears and screaming "I can't hear you" at the top of his voice. It is a sure way to win arguments.
At the playground.
When you are three years old.
Orangutans at an orphanage trained to wade across shallow water via a bridge of underwater branches, collect thrown (prepared) cobs of corn in the shallows, pick up bamboo fishing pole and mimic spear thrower. Nice photos, great hype, no crocs, these orangs in the wild would not last long, but since the wild is being converted into palm oil plantations and tourist traps, they are valuable to the centers for publicity value, who always qualify their press releases with "astonished" "amazed" wildlife experts.
What are you talking about JennyWren?
Do you want to talk about diving and surfacing efficiently using cyclical descent/dive and ascent/backfloat?
Or is that another thread?
Friday Weird Science: The Deadly Sneeze : Neurotopia
"Deadly sneeze" (due to multiple health issues and blood thinner etc. not due to sneeze)
"Deadly sneeze" (due to multiple health issues and blood thinner etc. not due to sneeze)
In a pandemic climate, public sneezing increases fears of unrelated risks : Not Exactly Rocket Science
Sneezing (as social display) reduces danger by inducing fear of risks
Sneezing (as social display) reduces danger by inducing fear of risks
Newborns differentiate melody, crying as speech mimicry
Native language shapes the melody of a newborn baby's cry : Not Exactly Rocket Science
Features like melody, rhythm and intensity (collectively known as prosody) travel well across the wall of the stomach and they reach the womb with minimum disruption. We know that infants are very sensitive to prosodic features well before they start speaking themselves, which helps them learn their own mother tongue. But this learning process starts as early as the third trimester. We know this because newborns prefer the sound of their mother's voice compared to those of strangers.
Mampe's data show that not only can infants sense the qualities of their native tongue, they can also imitate them in their first days of life. Previously, studies have found that babies can imitate the vowel sounds of adults only after 12 weeks of life, but clearly other features like pitch can be imitated much earlier. They're helped by the fact that crying only requires them to coordinate their breathing and vocal cord movements, while making speech sounds requires far more complex feats of muscular gymnastics that are only possible after a few months.
Babies' language learning starts from the womb
'Humming' = Melodic contour, precedes human song. Human song requires lip & tongue articulation, which is predisposed by nursing, humming is not, so humming is selected for during pre-weaning, and lullabye song is selected post-weaning.
Newborn crying is also melody contour, but with mouth-open simulation.
"Imitation of melody contour, in contrast, is merely predicated upon well-coordinated respiratory-laryngeal mechanisms and is not constrained by articulatory immaturity," they write. "Newborns are probably highly motivated to imitate their mother's behavior in order to attract her and hence to foster bonding. Because melody contour may be the only aspect of their mother's speech that newborns are able to imitate, this might explain why we found melody contour imitation at that early age."
A critique/discussion on this study and the news articles:
Language Log Native wails
with this nugget: "Science experiments do not yield facts, rather, experimental results."
Native language shapes the melody of a newborn baby's cry : Not Exactly Rocket Science
Features like melody, rhythm and intensity (collectively known as prosody) travel well across the wall of the stomach and they reach the womb with minimum disruption. We know that infants are very sensitive to prosodic features well before they start speaking themselves, which helps them learn their own mother tongue. But this learning process starts as early as the third trimester. We know this because newborns prefer the sound of their mother's voice compared to those of strangers.
Mampe's data show that not only can infants sense the qualities of their native tongue, they can also imitate them in their first days of life. Previously, studies have found that babies can imitate the vowel sounds of adults only after 12 weeks of life, but clearly other features like pitch can be imitated much earlier. They're helped by the fact that crying only requires them to coordinate their breathing and vocal cord movements, while making speech sounds requires far more complex feats of muscular gymnastics that are only possible after a few months.
Babies' language learning starts from the womb
'Humming' = Melodic contour, precedes human song. Human song requires lip & tongue articulation, which is predisposed by nursing, humming is not, so humming is selected for during pre-weaning, and lullabye song is selected post-weaning.
Newborn crying is also melody contour, but with mouth-open simulation.
"Imitation of melody contour, in contrast, is merely predicated upon well-coordinated respiratory-laryngeal mechanisms and is not constrained by articulatory immaturity," they write. "Newborns are probably highly motivated to imitate their mother's behavior in order to attract her and hence to foster bonding. Because melody contour may be the only aspect of their mother's speech that newborns are able to imitate, this might explain why we found melody contour imitation at that early age."
A critique/discussion on this study and the news articles:
Language Log Native wails
with this nugget: "Science experiments do not yield facts, rather, experimental results."
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Science & Sensibility Baby it hurts: birth practices and postpartum pain
Baby it hurts: birth practices and postpartum pain
being in one’s preferred position in labor also was protective against postpartum back pain [water birth: immersed in shallow warm saltwater reduces effect of gravity, fat baby is buoyant in water but heavy in air.]
Care Practice #5: Non-Supine (e.g., Upright or Side-Lying) Positions for Birth
Lamaze Birth Practice #5: Avoid Giving Birth on the Back ["dry"] and
Follow the Body’s Urges to Push
[IOW they're not talking about backfloating but about pushing the baby out against gravity from a supine position, as was often done in the west.] I don't know if backfloating while giving birth might be possible or safe, I see no reason why it wouldn't be so.]
Baby it hurts: birth practices and postpartum pain
being in one’s preferred position in labor also was protective against postpartum back pain [water birth: immersed in shallow warm saltwater reduces effect of gravity, fat baby is buoyant in water but heavy in air.]
Care Practice #5: Non-Supine (e.g., Upright or Side-Lying) Positions for Birth
Lamaze Birth Practice #5: Avoid Giving Birth on the Back ["dry"] and
Follow the Body’s Urges to Push
[IOW they're not talking about backfloating but about pushing the baby out against gravity from a supine position, as was often done in the west.] I don't know if backfloating while giving birth might be possible or safe, I see no reason why it wouldn't be so.]
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2398648
Proposed geographic locale
http://www.bautforum.com/science-te...says-we-evolved-aquatic-apes.html#post1591956
Marine kidneys, Morgan's TED talk, oreopithecus swamp ape (cf ardipithecus, sahelanthropus)
MW: "The large concentrations of fossil oreopithecines in the lignite layers at Baccinello and Maremma strongly suggest that Oreopithecus had a strong preference for the freshwater swamp forest that existed near the Tuscany-Sardinian coastline, a wetland environment where oreopithecines, apparently, frequently went to their deaths. Birdsell, Harrison, and Rook [4,55,56] have suggested that Oreopithecus may have exploited aquatic plants as a food resource. Sedges, water lilies, reeds, cattail, pond- weeds, horestails, and stoneworts, and other wetland plants which were abundantly represented in the fossil pollen spectrum from Baccinello. But the preference of Oreopithecus for wetland environments has been noted in the scientific literature for several decades. "
MW: "But humans are the only catarrhine primate with kidneys with medullary pyramids-- a feature that is nearly universal in marine mammals. The one exception is the dugong which has developed a different type of medullary lobulation (long transverse medullary crest) instead of multiple medullary pyramids in order to deal with the ingestion of hypertonic fluids from its marine environment."
Proposed geographic locale
http://www.bautforum.com/science-te...says-we-evolved-aquatic-apes.html#post1591956
Marine kidneys, Morgan's TED talk, oreopithecus swamp ape (cf ardipithecus, sahelanthropus)
MW: "The large concentrations of fossil oreopithecines in the lignite layers at Baccinello and Maremma strongly suggest that Oreopithecus had a strong preference for the freshwater swamp forest that existed near the Tuscany-Sardinian coastline, a wetland environment where oreopithecines, apparently, frequently went to their deaths. Birdsell, Harrison, and Rook [4,55,56] have suggested that Oreopithecus may have exploited aquatic plants as a food resource. Sedges, water lilies, reeds, cattail, pond- weeds, horestails, and stoneworts, and other wetland plants which were abundantly represented in the fossil pollen spectrum from Baccinello. But the preference of Oreopithecus for wetland environments has been noted in the scientific literature for several decades. "
MW: "But humans are the only catarrhine primate with kidneys with medullary pyramids-- a feature that is nearly universal in marine mammals. The one exception is the dugong which has developed a different type of medullary lobulation (long transverse medullary crest) instead of multiple medullary pyramids in order to deal with the ingestion of hypertonic fluids from its marine environment."
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