Dynamics PB without fins

[IronLung]

Well, the dolphin kick, to me anyway, is a huge thing. As soon as I did it, I felt I was going much much faster. Here is a video of Kitajima, a Japanese Olympian who could have been disqualified for doing this kick, demonstrating the proper dolphin kick. I say proper even though it is illegal in competition.

http://www.swim.ee/videos/breast/DQ-legkicks-after-start.mpg

As you start the arm-pull, dip your head slightly, the raise it back to streamline position, dont just bob the head though, let it start a ripple that travels along your body. While it travels back, increase the amplitude. As it gets to your legs, bend your knees slightly and then finish it off with nice, powerful down beat. The video really helps, watch it closely, there are other little things to see there too, possibly a little improvement on the arm pull. Hope this helps!

Ike

 

[Erik]

The USA site is down, but I'm sure that the NF record is less than 100 metres. Most divers have trouble getting past 100 metres WITH fins in a pool, let alone no fins.
Stick around, keep training. You'll get lots of support here (written) towards getting better and involved with competitions.
Cheers,
Erik Y.

 

[IronLung]

Really? Less than 100m? Thats.... Shocking. And I actually prefer to do it with no fins. I'd like to START training soon. I need to find some local freedivers, get some real freediving related practice done, see what happens. Thanks Erik.

Ike

 

[Pezman]

Iron Lung,

A clean 125 yards would definitely be a US record by a very large margin. The current U.S. DNF record is 82 meters. In fact, I think that you might be about one pool length short of the U.S. dynamic record with fins.

If you could exceed 30m constant ballast w/o fins, you would have the U.S. men's record for cbnf and the free immersion record as well.

Go for it!

 

[DeepThought]

Ike, you could break the US free immersion as a warm-up for your UCB record.

Thanks for the description and the clip.
Do you know a good source for more of those clips?

 

[IronLung]

OK, this is big stuff guys, are these figures real? Im sitting here kind of doubting the 82 M record, seems too short for a NATIONAL record. But hey, if it is, how do I go about shattering it? Who do I talk to? Does the langth of the pool matter? Do I have to start in the water? If I do start in the water, can I breathe up siting on the side? If there are other regulations I dont know aobut, any and all help would be very much appreciated. Maybe some full-on freediving rules site or something. Anyway, I thanks guys, this is good stuff. By the way, what is constant ballast and cbnf? I have lots of questions because I want to know how to make it count you know? I feel I'm on the verge of something big.
And Michael, as to your question, no, no idea, I just ran a few searches. I knew Kitajima had been involved in an illegal kick in the breaststroke, though I didnt see the full race. I knew the video would be just awesome for us freedivers to study, that dolphin kick is amazing for stroke efficiency, it really is.

Ike

 

[DeepThought]

Originally posted by IronLung
OK, this is big stuff guys, are these figures real? Im sitting here kind of doubting the 82 M record, seems too short for a NATIONAL record. But hey, if it is, how do I go about shattering it?

See, now that's the problem. Having the chance of making those records is sometimes harder to get than actually doing them.
You will need to go to some competition or to set a private event inorder to break a national record.

As far as I know 25 and 50 meter pools are legal, not sure about pools in between those sizes.
I think you can breath up on the side of the pool, but you are not allowed to jump from it for the start (unless someone would've done it already I guess).
I'm not sure what is the maximum or minimum depth needed, but I reckon most normal pools will do unless they are exceptionally deep or shallow.

In short: (cb/cbnf/etc)
Constant ballast is a main catagory which means "fixed weights".
A person diving down and then back to the surface is doing constant ballast unless while he was down he released his weight belt (for example).
Variable ballast is usally done with a heavy ballast or a sled to take the diver down, but he goes up on his own power (using the line or fins) leaving the weight behind.
CBNF: constant ballast without fins. You swim instead of finning, also called Unassisted.

Free Imerssion: diving by pulling the rope (also under fixed weight catagory).

No limits- go down with a weight, and come back up with a floating device.

 

[Pezman]

Ike,

Regulations are available on the AIDA site, in this document:
http://www.aida-international.org/Pdf/documents/records_recognition.pdf

According to the regulations, the record attempt must take place in a pool with a minimum length of 25 meters.

I think that you can set national records at Performance Freediving Courses, as long as they have two AIDA judges on staff for that particular course. Probably best to contact them before the attempt to make sure.

You can also set records at Canadian Freediving Association events. There are usually several events throughout the year. They are listed periodically here:
http://www.freedivecanada.com/comp/index.html.

The United States Apnea Association runs one event per year. This year it was in your neck of the woods.

The current list of national records recognized by USAA can be found here: http://usaa.freedivers.com/records.php. However I have seen some bigger numbers for dynamic with fins. Records are tricky business -- it depends on who sanctions the effort and there is a lot of partisan bickering, so organization A might not recognize organization F's records and so forth.

 

[Walrus]

The American record for dynamic with fins is 137m by Annabel Briseno. I don't know what the men's record is, pretty low like 100m or 110m. Doesn't seem like any of the US men that have competed so far are interested in or even train in dynamics. The 82m no-fins record is also a women's record set in the Canada worlds. There was someone that did a US men's no-fins record in a canada regional I think ?

You can set a national no-fins record in a normal competition. Most of the time the dynamics are done in a 50m pool. No-fins is easier in a 25m pool because you get so much from the push off. So in a 50m pool the same person would probably get less distance. A 25 yard pool is definitely not legal. The first time I did 100m no-fins in a 50m pool I thought it was pretty good. Then someone mentioned that they had seen a couple of Australian competition swimmers do 100m no-fins easily, no breathe up, no warm up statics, just took a breath and went. Having great technique and fitness can get you a long way.


Cheers,
Wal

 

[IronLung]

Pezman, I read those links, it does seem like I will need to get a few things done before I really step into the scene. Wal, I'm also taking into consideration the fact that I may have to do it in a 50 meter pool. Do you think they would let me chose to do in a 25M, since I have never tried doing a dynamic in a 50m pool? And hey, 100m IS good, dont doubt that just cause a couple Aussie swimmers pulled it off no sweat. Its something I was thinking I might not be able to do, but one day, everything just felt good, so I decided to go for it. I have never done any diving for depth but at the beach one day I was way out and the water was fairly clear. I didnt have a mask, I just opened my eyes underwater and I could see ok, dove down maybe 30 something feet, then there was the bottom, effectively preventing me from going any deeper. Id like to see what thats like though, going way deep I mean, but I'm not going to do it yet, not till I know I can do it safely. How do I find a local club? Thank you all for your support, I appreciate it.

Ike