I just got my new elios 3mm suit w/ the gold lining. I think it's alot easier to get in and out of. I haven't tried it yet. In a couple of weeks I'll be using it for a week straight(hopefully at kk'03). I have a Henderson 5mm for scuba w/ the gold lining that I love. I tried my new suit on and liked the fit. I'll keep you posted.
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Elios Sub Suits
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Hello!
Now I have tried my new 6mm Gold coating/smothskin suit in very very cold water. 1 degee Celsius! (The ice left for a couple of days ago.)
I was in the water for 1 hour and my hands was freezing so I was forced to abort the diving then.
I use no soap to get my suit on and when I took it off, it was almost like glued on the body. No water had entered during the whole dive.
I wore double rubber belts to minimize water-leakage.
(Strange is that I did not have to do it.......
)
Now I have tried my new 6mm Gold coating/smothskin suit in very very cold water. 1 degee Celsius! (The ice left for a couple of days ago.)
I was in the water for 1 hour and my hands was freezing so I was forced to abort the diving then.
I use no soap to get my suit on and when I took it off, it was almost like glued on the body. No water had entered during the whole dive.
I wore double rubber belts to minimize water-leakage.
(Strange is that I did not have to do it.......
)
Peter,
Jon and I were having the same problems that you are having.....warm body, but frozen hands and feet. Since we both got the right booties and gloves, our time in the water has doubled.
Here's what we're using.
Omer booties and Picasso gloves
http://www.piratescuba.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=OCS&Category_Code=SF1
http://www.scubastore.com/shop.asp?id_familia=1&id_subfamilia=5
Ted
Jon and I were having the same problems that you are having.....warm body, but frozen hands and feet. Since we both got the right booties and gloves, our time in the water has doubled.
Here's what we're using.
Omer booties and Picasso gloves
http://www.piratescuba.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=OCS&Category_Code=SF1
http://www.scubastore.com/shop.asp?id_familia=1&id_subfamilia=5
Ted
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Peter,
The gloves have a double seal on them that that go on both sides of your wrist seal.
The inner glove is nylon on the palm and has gold -ining on the back of the hand.
They are very warm and have worked out well for us all winter long.
The index fingers are cut a little tighter than a normal 3-finger scuba mitt so that you can get them into a speargun trigger without any problem.
Jon
Jon
The gloves have a double seal on them that that go on both sides of your wrist seal.
The inner glove is nylon on the palm and has gold -ining on the back of the hand.
They are very warm and have worked out well for us all winter long.
The index fingers are cut a little tighter than a normal 3-finger scuba mitt so that you can get them into a speargun trigger without any problem.
Jon
Jon
Thanks Jon.
I have tried such gloves once but one problem is to get into them, I managed to get into them after 10min struggle but my partner had to have my help but we almost failed anyway..
(These were nylon inside but double seal with skin)
Maybe soap and water works with hte gloves you use?
Do you have any tip or trick to get into them or do you have to have a person without gloves helping you??
I have tried such gloves once but one problem is to get into them, I managed to get into them after 10min struggle but my partner had to have my help but we almost failed anyway..
(These were nylon inside but double seal with skin)
Maybe soap and water works with hte gloves you use?
Do you have any tip or trick to get into them or do you have to have a person without gloves helping you??
I don't seem to have any problems getting into them.
I first fold the wrist seal on my wetsuit back before I try to put the mitt on.
Then, I slip one mitt on and fold the top wrist seal back.
Next, I fold my wetsuit wrist seal over the top of the inner mitt seal.
Finally, I fold the outer mitt seal over the wrist seal on my wetsuit.
The gloves have a biotermic lining on the inside and seem to slide on without much of a problem.
After I do my left glove I repeat the same with my right.
Hope that helps. If not, I could post some pictures.
Jon
Jon
I first fold the wrist seal on my wetsuit back before I try to put the mitt on.
Then, I slip one mitt on and fold the top wrist seal back.
Next, I fold my wetsuit wrist seal over the top of the inner mitt seal.
Finally, I fold the outer mitt seal over the wrist seal on my wetsuit.
The gloves have a biotermic lining on the inside and seem to slide on without much of a problem.
After I do my left glove I repeat the same with my right.
Hope that helps. If not, I could post some pictures.
Jon
Jon
Eric Wrote :
I just ordered a new 3mm suit from TopSub. They offer over 100 different neoprenes but they're biggest seller is the Heiwa HD smoothskin / opencell. The sample seemed to have remarkable qualities.
They're also selling a new type of neoprene (XP) that someone is manufacturing exclusively for them. It is cooked in some special way and retains 100% of its elasicity over time. Unfortunately it's not yet available in high enough density to use at depth.
Al
I just ordered a new 3mm suit from TopSub. They offer over 100 different neoprenes but they're biggest seller is the Heiwa HD smoothskin / opencell. The sample seemed to have remarkable qualities.
They're also selling a new type of neoprene (XP) that someone is manufacturing exclusively for them. It is cooked in some special way and retains 100% of its elasicity over time. Unfortunately it's not yet available in high enough density to use at depth.
Al
Heiwa versus Yamamoto and different linings
Hello,
as I was a bit confused about the neoprene discussion, I asked Elios sub about the difference in linings and about the difference between Yamamoto and Heiwa neoprene. As others might have similar questions, I post the answer here. The Elios sub guys seem to be really friendly.
Cheers
Uli
Hello,
as I was a bit confused about the neoprene discussion, I asked Elios sub about the difference in linings and about the difference between Yamamoto and Heiwa neoprene. As others might have similar questions, I post the answer here. The Elios sub guys seem to be really friendly.
Cheers
Uli
3mm heiwa Elios a dream come true!
Last night, efattah and I went diving at Ansell Point. We bumped into Mandy training for her WR attempt (the CAFA nationals this weekend).... I was excited all day to dive with a custom 3mm and Fluid Goggles. The last time I had used Fluid Goggles was in the summer of 2001, but that was with a 5mm Picasso (off the rack).
Well.....
We haven't been line diving for months, just deep recreational dives in our 5mm Elios Yamamoto suits. First of all, it was a joy to put on the custom 3mm. Same fit as my 5mm, only a bit closer all around. The suit felt stronger--even as I pampered it with Yamamoto hands (force of habit). Given the water temperature on the surface, 17C and the cold down below, 6-8C, we figured we would be able to dive for an hour, and then finish by shivering.
Without a mask, I was in 'dive mode' right away. The surface swim to deep water was all the facial immersion I needed. With a shock, I realized as I swam, that I could feel the water coursing over my body through the suit!
The dives were ridiculously easy. I had to slow myself down because the descent was like quicksilver (I was falling behind on my equalising!). There's nothing like undulating downward with your arms outstretched, and no need to equalize a mask. And the ascent was equally enjoyable. I made several dives and managed to stay quite warm for an hour. I only wore a 3lb neck weight and it made all the difference.
So 3mm heiwa is: stronger than yamamoto, warm enough to enjoy a deep diving session in cool water, excellent fit, little buoyancy change (probably the most important benefit).
I intend to use it for the rest of the summer.
Pete
Vancouver, BC
Last night, efattah and I went diving at Ansell Point. We bumped into Mandy training for her WR attempt (the CAFA nationals this weekend).... I was excited all day to dive with a custom 3mm and Fluid Goggles. The last time I had used Fluid Goggles was in the summer of 2001, but that was with a 5mm Picasso (off the rack).
Well.....
We haven't been line diving for months, just deep recreational dives in our 5mm Elios Yamamoto suits. First of all, it was a joy to put on the custom 3mm. Same fit as my 5mm, only a bit closer all around. The suit felt stronger--even as I pampered it with Yamamoto hands (force of habit). Given the water temperature on the surface, 17C and the cold down below, 6-8C, we figured we would be able to dive for an hour, and then finish by shivering.
Without a mask, I was in 'dive mode' right away. The surface swim to deep water was all the facial immersion I needed. With a shock, I realized as I swam, that I could feel the water coursing over my body through the suit!
The dives were ridiculously easy. I had to slow myself down because the descent was like quicksilver (I was falling behind on my equalising!). There's nothing like undulating downward with your arms outstretched, and no need to equalize a mask. And the ascent was equally enjoyable. I made several dives and managed to stay quite warm for an hour. I only wore a 3lb neck weight and it made all the difference.
So 3mm heiwa is: stronger than yamamoto, warm enough to enjoy a deep diving session in cool water, excellent fit, little buoyancy change (probably the most important benefit).
I intend to use it for the rest of the summer.
Pete
Vancouver, BC
My team mate and I just got new suits made. I went with Heiwa HD (3.5mm) and he chose Yamamoto (one 5mm and one 3mm).
His is soooooooft, whilst mine is more dense (but still pretty soft).
This main difference is in the robustness however.
Mine seems to be indestructible, whereas the first time he used the 3mm it ripped right up the front, and the first time he used the 5mm he managed to pull an arm off!!!
Al
His is soooooooft, whilst mine is more dense (but still pretty soft).
This main difference is in the robustness however.
Mine seems to be indestructible, whereas the first time he used the 3mm it ripped right up the front, and the first time he used the 5mm he managed to pull an arm off!!!
Al
Pete, chk the dates on this thread. 3 mil unlined is very fragile, requiring a lot of care to wear.
For scuba, Elios might make a reccomendation. Freediving suits generally and Elios in particular fit far far better than scuba suits and have far lesss water flushing through them. Other things being equal, its a MUCH warmer suit. However, freediving suits are generally made from rubber that compresses more than scuba suits,reducing the degree of warmth at depth, and some can get permanently compressed after much use. Picking a freediving suit for scuba is tricky. I'd ask Elios.
For scuba, Elios might make a reccomendation. Freediving suits generally and Elios in particular fit far far better than scuba suits and have far lesss water flushing through them. Other things being equal, its a MUCH warmer suit. However, freediving suits are generally made from rubber that compresses more than scuba suits,reducing the degree of warmth at depth, and some can get permanently compressed after much use. Picking a freediving suit for scuba is tricky. I'd ask Elios.