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(c) from an editorial review of the book:Like the bellstone that is used as a clapper in the bells of island churches, the naked diver's bellstone connected the naked diver to his God and to his nobel forebears. To be hoisted to Paradise, God's safe airy world above, the naked diver on the seafloor had only to yank on the bellstone's rope, the motion identical with that of the naked diver's papas, his island priest, as he rang the church bell, welcoming the faithful to prayer.
In other news, I'm planning to break the 1000 feet mark first. I'm not inviting judges, but a mate will blog about it. We'll let you know once I succeed!
You're aware of who that is you're quoting?
Oh god.I'll be in charge of gear maintenance.
Personally, I think think that yes. Messner lost many times fingers, teeth, buddies, and I believe even his brother during his expeditions, but I believe as long as he climbed the mountain, it counted. So I would not exclude that for Messner Herb's dive could be successfull even if he never returned back.Pehtran,
Do you think Messiner would consider this dive a success by his standards?
Do you think Messiner would consider this dive a success by his standards?
George Mallory and Sandy Irvine attempted Everest in 1922 (31 years before Hillary). They both died. After decades of research, the conclusion now is that Mallory did reach the summit and fell to his death during the descent.
So, in some people's minds Mallory was the first to summit Everest. But Herbert not only survived but he is making a full recovery.
I do however have a problem with many climbers, who summit, and then are carried down the entire mountain by brave people risking their lives. I recall one such woman who summitted K2. She was carried down the entire mountain by people risking their lives for her. She never once said thank you, all she kept muttering was 'I made it, I made the summit...'
In other news, I'm planning to break the 1000 feet mark first. I'm not inviting judges, but a mate will blog about it. We'll let you know once I succeed!
I'll be in charge of gear maintenance.
I can do the drugs tests.Oh god.
I don't think that is the conclusion (unless you've heard something new?), at least not according to the books and documentaries I've seen (I'm fascinated by this story). The jury is still out. American climber Conrad Anker managed to free climb the infamous step; while finally silencing nay-sayers by proving that it could be free-climbed -he concluded that it was unlikely that Mallory would have managed it (no ego there!). However, free-climbing was not the normal mode of mountaineering in those days - direct aid was. People often underestimate the old climbers (& their gear), they were fit and light and strong, and brave & cunning, they also used techniques and tactics rarely practiced these days - such as "combined tactics", threads, real chock stones, stacked pitons, etc. Apparently Anker initially rated it at 5.10 (UK XS 5b/5c) - but opinion now is that it might only be 5.9 (UK Hard Very Severe 5a), which is within Mallory's known climbing ability.George Mallory and Sandy Irvine attempted Everest in 1922 (31 years before Hillary). They both died. After decades of research, the conclusion now is that Mallory did reach the summit and fell to his death during the descent.
So, in some people's minds Mallory was the first to summit Everest. But Herbert not only survived but he is making a full recovery.
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Hi Pehtran,
I love that idea. Its his adventure so let him make the rules. That's a great vibe.
I don't quite get the comparison with Reinhold Meisner. Yes he climbed without assistance, but Everest was a well know mountain and climbing it was a very established procedure then. What Herbert is doing is more related to climbing pre Hilary and Tenzing.
Freediving is also encumbered with the relationship between assisting (which is not accepted) and escorting which is accepted. (I am excluding Supporting here, but Ranulph Fiennes discusses that very well). Reinhold had neither assistance nor escort. This makes his effort a great adventure
Freedivers blatantly scorn diving alone. Could you imagine if Herbert went to sea and did his dive 800 foot dive all on his own. Would he now be dead? OR would he have got himself back to shore to receive medical attention. As long as his flag was at 800 feet and with depth guage and photographic evidence, he would have returned as conquering hero.
Aida would say it wouldn't have counted.
To me Herbert is an athelete/ explorer/ adventurer of the highest calibre in an arena little understood. He has entered the equivalent of the Death Zone and has brought back substantial experience of that encounter. It's dangerous. He will go back again and maybe modify his approach. We can all see that the 1000 feet dive is still there. Maybe 800 feet is the Hilary Step. Herbert will figure it out, it's his adventure. Maybe it should be his rules.
Of course, the truth is, until we know more, he might only have failed on protocol and he MIGHT have had assistance for the last few meters. Then again, he MIGHT have simply been escorted to the surface by his safety divers, before receiving the assistance.
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