New static WR attempt tonight in German TV

[osusim]

Enjoy
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Quality is not perfect.
Nice show, thanks to Tom and Heidi!

 

[monterey jak]

I wish I could understand German Thanks for the video

 

[Daić]

Jorg it was very interesting reading. Thanx!!! Monterey jak where did you see the video, I can't see it.

8'34'' is great, but I thought he will go for 10+:t

Jure

 

[SanderP]

Hoped they would talk more about apnea diving in general but it was a nice show anyway. And Tom did a spectacular performance with over 8 and a half minutes. Also, too bad that the interview in the end was so short.

And thanks for the video, osusim!

 

[glennv]

Not as fast as Osusim, but you can also watch it here online as promised. Sorry for the delay. had a hard drive failure here.

 

[SanSan]

He came out perfectly OK. Maybe he didn't want to risk any BO because of TV.

Another thing with him was Heidi and not his girlfriend.

 

[BennyB]

Yes I just noticed Heidi, she was my next door neighbour at the WC in Egypt! Heh heh freediving is such a small world...

Anyway better keep watching the vid now..

 

[Jorg]

To me Tom looked perfectly fine and he only came out because the medic guy who was standing at the side told him to come out. Medics get so nervous so quickly about freediving if they don't know anything about it...

 

[sanso]

Is Tom in DB?

 

[Sergiu]

First thx to Glann for putting the vid up the net!

Indeed, it was a very clean exit and from previous attempts that i have seen with Tom, he could have gone 35sec more for sure. It is a sensible decision not to push it though, getting a BO or even a samba on prime time will not do much good to the sport - respect Tom!

One rant to close with, the televised attempt did not look to me as AIDA sanctioned, though i might be wrong but did not see nor heard anything about AIDA judges being in place so i guess it would have not been a WR under AIDA rulling. Official or not, pulling over 500 seconds of apnea in a fish tank it's magic (not David Blaine stype though!)

serge

 

[osusim]

I guess AIDA also doesn't allow any pulse measuring devices during STA performance.

 

[Jorg]

You've seen wrong... the two judges were standing behind and he even did a surface protocol towards them. The two guys holding the stopwatches in suits... Never seen such nice dressed up judges anywhere. Maybe AIDA sponsored all AIDA Judges with a designer suit...

 

[Jorg]

That's a good one! Not only was it a pulse but also a oxygen saturation meter...

But if you read the record rules there is nothing mentioned about this for world record attempts.

If you read competition rules then it is forbidden

1.22 - The athlete may use electronic devices to monitor the external situation but he/she is not allowed to use any electronic device which monitors the internal state of his/her organism (e.g. heartbeat monitor, etc.).

Don't ask me why its not the same for records and competition... Then again, the record rules are already from November 2003 and the competition rules from February 2006. It seems time to update the record rules again (and this time leave out no limits and variable, but that is another discussion)

 

[glennv]

Good point about the measuring device, but I think that would only be the case if Tom used the data himself. Now it wasonly there for the TV medic, who almost shit his pants and started yelling "he has to come out NOW he has to come out NOW", while Tom hadn't even reached his normal long bubble blowing fighting fase.Anyway, thats how TV works and good for Tom to come out.

 

[marginatus]

does anybody know why those apnea c4 suits are so expensive (oposed to the [only] apnea ones)?

 

[Billextreme]

Hi,

If you download the record-appendix-2007 from the AIDA website, you understand that rule 1.22 is even for WR attempts. BUT it's possible to use these things if NO info is given to the athlete during the dive.

/B

 

[Jorg]

Bill, serious? So if I hook up an athlete with heartbeat monitor, oxygen saturation, a*al probe, etc it's no problem as long as the athlete doesn't see the info during the attempt. Good to know! Thanks for this interesting info.

 

[Billextreme]

Yes Jorg,

But the final yes is given by the AIDA Judges at the spot, and they could say no.

...as long there is no info (have to be 100% guarantee) to the athlete in ANY way during the dive, there is a good chance for the judges to say yes for this.

regards
Bill

 

[Jorg]

Why could they say no? Isn't that what the rules are for? You can do it or you can't, for everybody the same during every competition/recordattempt. Not difference because we got judge X and another judge Y.

 

[trux]

...as long there is no info (have to be 100% guarantee) to the athlete in ANY way during the dive, there is a good chance for the judges to say yes for this.

Yes, but in this case the information was given to the freediver. I quote Glenn: "the TV medic, who almost shit his pants and started yelling 'he has to come out NOW he has to come out NOW' ". It means, the information that the oxygen saturation dropped bellow certain level was given (at least indirectly) to the freediver. From my point of view it was the same as if he could watch it himself. He could rely on the medic and push the apnea as much as he wanted, knowing that they will pull him out when it starts to go bad. On my mind it is exactly the same effect as if he could watch it alone, in fact even better, since the freediver does not need to deconcentrate with watching the devices. Well, in this case, the medic panicked, and very likely pulled Tom out much too soon, but it does not excuse violating the rules. If this way of using monitoring devices is allowed, the rule should be better abolished. I think it is a luck he did not break the record - others would have the full right to protest and ask for disqualification (if Tom exited upon an instruction from the medic, then too).