New super easy loading speargun

[SeaMarc]

SeaMark, how many times should you "pump" with lever for biggest gun to have it full power?

The choice is yours.
You can make little strokes, medium strokes or full strokes. Between medium and full strokes takes about 8 seconds. It is easy for everyone and every situation.

 

[foxfish]

SeaMarc, I am really looking forward to seeing a working model but I dont know how many spearos will be interested in buying the gun?
There are lots of perfectly good spear guns already available & most of us dont find them difficult to load, some guys even use 3.5 band stretch & some even more!

I sometimes use my mamba air gun & this system offers lots of power probably as much as a twin band gun & I dont find that difficult to load.
Some of the standard guns available are cheap to buy, have plenty power, are light & perfectly balanced, I dont know how many of us want anything more?

However I just love the idea & I think it is exciting to see a new type of design in the making, I do wish you the best of luck but most of all I hope it works as well as you hope?

 

[tromic]

The choice is yours.
You can make little strokes, medium strokes or full strokes. Between medium and full strokes takes about 8 seconds. It is easy for everyone and every situation.

Ok, and how many full strokes is that, 4, 8 ?
I suppose with medium strokes than it takes 16 seconds?

 

[Mr. X]

We've discussed this website & speargun before - deja vu all over again?!

I don't think I could load my arbalete in 8 seconds, certainly not including rigging. Certainly not w/o scaring fish.

I wonder how many of these roller gun patents claims would stand up to the scrutiny of the courts, esp. considering rollerguns have been around for decades and all the "prior art"? Certainly not the first claim in the aforementioned patent - which lacks originality. Claim 6 looks like it would cause some conflicts here though:hmm. Actually, if you guys are inventors, lawyers would normally advise you not to go reading existing patents, for your own good. The fact that it is a US patent, that the markets for spear guns in relatively small and well provided for, that roller guns do not enjoy widespread popularity probably make it rather academic though. The real challenge will be manufacturing & marketing a good, affective product that sells enough to make the exercise worthwhile. Loading certainly can be an issue - not sure there is a huge market of female spearos waiting for this but it is particularly awkward (a good safety feature though with small kids around). I can't help thinking the real opportunity for an easy-to-load gun is more likely to be with pneumatic/compressed airguns, like Omer's new airbalete (anybody got one yet?)

There was an American website which was like an on-line museum of a diverse collection of weird and wonderful speargun designs - I think all or most originated from a group of spearo there (Florida? California?). Some were awesome - I particularly liked the parachute/drogue drag system fitted to one big game rig. The plumbing pipe compressed air guns were ugly but sleek in their minimalist design and the fire extinguisher compressed airgun was a classic. I also saw a picture of a very old, small, wooden chinese rollergun a couple of years ago somewhere on-line.

The design this thread is about is interesting, a little bit like a pump-up airgun as opposed to the lever-operated rollergun pictured above, which reminds me of a single action, side-lever loaded airgun. Surprised nobody has proposed a hand-pedal system like the old medieval crossbows. Oh, I see they have: http://forums.deeperblue.com/pnumatic-spearguns/74889-air-gun-easy-loader-3.html

By the way, what causes the rollers to move back - surely not firing the gun?

 

[affertus]

Affertus, congratulations. I like your system:fridayI use similar principle but different implementation. See this: http://forums.deeperblue.com/pnumatic-spearguns/74889-air-gun-easy-loader-3.html

Tromic i saw yet your system on youtube.

I like it !!!!
Congratulation
:friday :friday :friday

 

[SeaMarc]

Be careful because another man patented the roller gun in 30 april 2001 blackeye




I know yet the Marc Antoine Berry Patent !!

After a closer look at your system by the inventor of Seamaxx, it seems that your system is absolutely covered by the patent of Marc Antoine Berry!!!

 

[affertus]

SeaMarc,
first of all thanks for your interest in my system.

I know the Marc Antoine Berry patent:
Underwater catapult in which the ... - Google Patents

The title of Berry patent ( Jul 5, 2004 ) is :
"Underwater catapult in which the arrow is propelled along the length of the barrel"

This is the title of the antecedent patent ( Not mine) that i mentioned ( April, 30 2001):
"fucile arbalete per la pratica della pesca subacquea munito di elastici che esercitano una trazione dell'asta su tutta la lunghezza del fusto, per garantire una maggiore potenza e gittata."

that translate means:
"speargun for the practice of the underwater fishing provided of rubbers that traction the arrow along the whole length of the barrel, to guarantee a great power and range."

First of all, my question is : How is possible to patent a thing wich is already patented ?

So i think ... that there is an actual problem ( at least in Italy ) in roller patent.

Second, my patent doesn't concern the roller its self, but the idea of load the speargun with a system of handle grip integrated in the gun.

The roller system, how says Mr.x before, is used for decades and is the "prior art".

Am I being wrong in anything ???

 

[SeaMarc]

SeaMarc,
first of all thanks for your interest in my system.

I know the Marc Antoine Berry patent:
Underwater catapult in which the ... - Google Patents

The title of Berry patent ( Jul 5, 2004 ) is :
"Underwater catapult in which the arrow is propelled along the length of the barrel"

This is the title of the antecedent patent ( Not mine) that i mentioned ( April, 30 2001):
"fucile arbalete per la pratica della pesca subacquea munito di elastici che esercitano una trazione dell'asta su tutta la lunghezza del fusto, per garantire una maggiore potenza e gittata."

that translate means:
"speargun for the practice of the underwater fishing provided of rubbers that traction the arrow along the whole length of the barrel, to guarantee a great power and range."

First of all, my question is : How is possible to patent a thing wich is already patented ?

So i think ... that there is an actual problem ( at least in Italy ) in roller patent.

Second, my patent doesn't concern the roller its self, but the idea of load the speargun with a system of handle grip integrated in the gun.

The roller system, how says Mr.x before, is used for decades and is the "prior art".

Am I being wrong in anything ???

I am not a specialist in Patents, but a person can make several patents that complement each other in time, which is what had been done on the roller; it seems that the problem with your project is that the loading works on the top side from the front to the back manually and then on the bottom from the front to the back mechanically. This is exactly the Berry patent! Seamaxx works from the back towards the front above and below simultaneously. That is part of the Seamaxx patent.

 

[affertus]

I dont think so !!!

My patent is completely different from that of Berry.

In any case, in the last version o f my speargun, i load the speargun only meccanically, after simply ancor manually the rubber on a shaft. The movement of rubber is generate only by the handle grip with a direction on the top side from the back to the front and then on the bottom ( after automatic shift of the rubbers across the pulley ) from the front to the back.

Berry Patent dont talk about this system, whereas that is essential part of my patent.

I dont have at the moment any idea of commercialitation of my system .... in any case if in future i'll decide for selling it, i will ready for an interesting legal battle :martial :martial :martial

 

[SeaMarc]

I dont think so !!!

My patent is completely different from that of Berry.

In any case, in the last version o f my speargun, i load the speargun only meccanically, after simply ancor manually the rubber on a shaft. The movement of rubber is generate only by the handle grip with a direction on the top side from the back to the front and then on the bottom ( after automatic shift of the rubbers across the pulley ) from the front to the back.

Berry Patent dont talk about this system, whereas that is essential part of my patent.

I dont have at the moment any idea of commercialitation of my system .... in any case if in future i'll decide for selling it, i will ready for an interesting legal battle :martial :martial :martial

Are your top and bottom rubbers separate or is it the same rubber?

 

[Broseidon]

This whole thread just makes me think of one thing:

 

[affertus]

Are your top and bottom rubbers separate or is it the same rubber?

My speargun works in different configuration.
In the principal configuration the rubber is the same.

 

[luciano.garibbo]

Hello guys,

All claims of the patent to Berry refers to the concept of catapult and not rollergun. :naughty

This means that the rubbers don't stop at the head of the rifle: this is a special configuration not simple rollergun.
Berry haven't paten on simple rollergun!!!

I have 2 patent concerning the roller: no catapult, another type of configuration!
The Affertus patent: another type of roller, no catapult!

I have already discussed about this patent 2 years ago with the legals of Beauchat which holds the patent to Berry: I have no problem concerning their patent!

ps:
here's my system: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGC-dXhx17g]YouTube - Il rollergun G-Roll.wmv[/ame]

here's my new sperimentation: http://forums.deeperblue.com/homemade-spearguns/82574-new-rollergun-pulley-45-never-seen-before.html


ciao. Luciano

 

[affertus]

Great Luciano !!!!!!!!

 

[Kars]

One thing that was striking me in this thread: Speargun builders can be very competitive minded! :martial :crutch

 

[spaghetti]

One thing that was striking me in this thread: Speargun builders can be very competitive minded! :martial :crutch

Kars have you noticed it's italians vs. frenchmen, doesn't this remind anything to you? Enzo vs. Jacques, Le grand Bleu, "get me the frenchman!". :martial

Anyway when I see Luciano's and Affertus' inventions I become more optimistic about the future of our poor Italy. We have no oil, no gas, no big industries except a few, no big financial corporations. But hey, we still have these men of genius!

Complimenti ragazzi, siete due leggende! Affertus, spero tu abbia passato un felice compleanno (era la settimana scorsa, vero? :friday)

 

[Kars]

Well spaghetti a little vendetta could be fun, but sometimes people take it up to seriously to levels normal people try to refrain from.

In my book I rather would be independent, as a man and country.
What's up with all this "I'm better than you?", maybe it's better to spend the energy on actually building a better place than spent it on fighting for the favour of the jury to have their recognition?

Don't forget Spaghetti:

- Enzo still lives!

Love, Courage and Water,

Kars

 

[affertus]

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Complimenti ragazzi, siete due leggende! Affertus, spero tu abbia passato un felice compleanno (era la settimana scorsa, vero? :friday)

Grazie di cuore !!!!!
E' vero !!! Il mio compleanno è stato ieri, ma tu come fai a ricordarlo ??

Ho passato uno splendido compleanno a mare .... e stasero ne godrò da un punto di vista culinario con : insalata di polpo e saragone alla brace ( un'autentica rarità ):

 

[affertus]

Kars have you noticed it's italians vs. frenchmen, doesn't this remind anything to you? Enzo vs. Jacques, Le grand Bleu, "get me the frenchman!". :martial

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I remember also this :friday :friday :friday :

 

[Kars]

The ball is starting to roll now... Take cover, an avalanche is coming people!

LOL,

Kars