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Save Our Bass

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Copied from Guernsey 2009 from a few days ago

"Was talking to one of the commercial anglers fishing the winter (breeding cycle) bass fishery at the Boue Blondel. Two anglers, one boatand over 300kg of bass for their day. Working 3 hook rigs at times and landing double figure bass 3 at a time.

It's a bloody disgrace. Should be stopped tomorrow (well yesterday really). Sea fisheries should be held accountable for their pathetic lack of thought for conservation and blind support of the commercials. Makes my blood boil."

Dave
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300kg/660lb of prime, breeding bass by 2 guys in one boat! How can live with themselves (easy, no conscience!).:rcard You'd think people would exercise self control but history is full of examples that suggest that is not the case (passenger pigeon, dodo, Easter Island trees, British herring stocks, British pilchard stocks, Sandeels & Seabirds next?).

3 hook rigs - is that the so called "Killer rig" (2 or 3 eels/feathers with a lead at the bottom)? I see my 6 volume fishing encyclopedia mentions in several places that some consider it unsporting (although it also gives details & variations in several places).
 
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That's a small take really Mr X. I had heard on a grapevine of one boat who was averaging 500KG of fish per rod per day... The guy is a bit OTT at times so it may be less than that.

And what about when the shoal moved off the Boue the other year... Our big trawler hit 50 tonne in one net and couldn't land it with his winch so called some mates who started to scoop up the dead double figure bass off the surface with landing nets and returned to port with the decks knee deep in fish.

It's downright sickening but, "nothing to see here, move along please"......... :head:head
 
OK Andy - never say die....I still think public awareness is a good way & might help the situation.
Maybe some carefully worded letters in our paper is worth another try.
I think if the right people could be told the right things like the fact this discussion is happening on an international forum that has 20,000 members from all over the world, this fact does not favour Guernsey in anyway, in fact it is making our Island look very bad!
Then there is that vid that is also available for all the world to see, we can show the link.
politicians may not have any concerns toward the bass but if we are getting bad publicity through the bass they just might?
 
A month or so ago there was an article in the Guardian flagging up exactly this issue. The government are looking into it apparently due to an exponential growth in the popularity of recreational sea fishing and estimates of the sheer tonnage of fish being caught by recreational anglers in UK coastal waters annually.

This isn't quite true. There has been no huge increase in recreational angling in recent years (if anything there has been a decline). What has changed is that as fish stocks have dwindled, angling groups have become more vocal about commercial overfishing. This has resulted in elements of the commercial fishing industry trying to point the finger at anglers as being responsible for falling fish stocks (rather than themselves)

cheers

dave
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Dave - I confess I don't know anything about restrictions on the commercial catch of Bass. I understand we all have to adhere to the Minimum Landing Size (MLS) but are there other restrictions in terms of weight/seasons/hours at sea etc? Also anything about spawning areas/seasons?

I am a bit confused as I thought all freshwater catching of game fish has a closed season (its ages since I went line fishing in freshwater) Why does the same not make sense for the breeding season for Bass, i.e have a closed season - surely that would kill two birds with one stone (overfishing (because of the mass congregations) and catching of spawning Bass)

I'd like to understand more about this if you or someone else can fill me in - cheers - James
 
OK Andy - never say die....I still think public awareness is a good way & might help the situation.
Maybe some carefully worded letters in our paper is worth another try.
I think if the right people could be told the right things like the fact this discussion is happening on an international forum that has 20,000 members from all over the world, this fact does not favour Guernsey in anyway, in fact it is making our Island look very bad!
Then there is that vid that is also available for all the world to see, we can show the link.
politicians may not have any concerns toward the bass but if we are getting bad publicity through the bass they just might?
I'm not a lost cause yet Mart... Just been doing my tax return and calculating the fact that they owe me £17, not much but on the right side of that line!!! Now I can think freely...

I think we need to bring the finance industry into it and focus on the decline and loss of jobs in the "ever an excuse" finance sector (the one I work for... :naughty). Much as Mr Trotter (aka Del Boy for all the reasons you can associate with that name!!) the Chief minister thinks we are fit and healthy, the loss of jobs and closure of several local institutions (Woolys, Wallace Barnaby, Gabriels? and some more that I can't think of now) however, seems to say otherwise, we need to look at the future of Guernsey plc. Where did the income used to come from? Tourism and tomatoes. OK so the tomato days are beyond saviour but I don't think that specialist tourism is lost forever, IF things are done the right way.

I championed and still believe that Guernsey should and can still be a premier sport fishing location, light lining/fly fishing for macks and gars, bass fishing, even conger and rockie bashing is a big plus to some who don't get those species back home where they come from. In my fishing guide days, I took a couple from oop North fishing for bream and we stuck the float rods out and they both had their first ever garfish on 1.5lb gear. They loved it. I also found a very popular thing for tourist is Bream fishing from the shore. They don't get so many off the shore in the UK and having introduced several people to the mullet method for bream and seeing one of them smashed up by a fish which must have been over 5lb and the child like excitement of it, why the hell aren't we doing something with this???

Look at the spearing boys who make the pilgramage each year. What could be done with more money, proper advertising by the island and of course and investment in that sector in the form of conservation measures to protect the species which are bringing the tourists money into the island.

To see this working we only need look as far as Alderney (they get thousands of angling tourists each year, OK, so it's slightly different fishing to here BUT, they have bans like no shore set nets which we don't, makes a big difference, shore tope? Big bass in close? Plaice and sole by the binful...). Then next up, look at Sport Ireland. How many people used to go abroad for fishing holidays but now go to the Irish Surf Beaches etc to fish for bass, with the heavy conservation measures in place which really do seem to be giving more and better sport to the anglers who venture out there.

An extra thought after I posted originally is that of the value of the GBP. Would I want to go to europe or any EURO country with a rate of 1.1 or less by the time you have commission taken out?? NO!! Same goes for the US Dollar. Much better calue for money than going to Europe or the states with the current economic climate???

Views anyone??
 
I don't see why Guernsey couldn't be marketed in the way you describe and it to be associated with alot of tourist income - the Ireland comparison seems to me to be the most useful as all the fishing magazines feature Ireland on a very regular basis primarily for Bass shore fishing and plugging - I put together a Spearo trip out to the Dingle Peninsula a few years ago, which about 7 of us went on, and I had to be careful with the timing - if I remember correct they have a pretty long closed season which only opens again in July - I guess to allow the Bass to spawn in safety. And they had a two Bass bag limit for all recreational fishing. But again I'm not sure of the commercial rules out there. If the magazine articles are anything to go by I would think there are a large number of fishing tourists travelling to Ireland every year - why not the same for Guernsey (if there are any fish left for people to catch:rcard)
 
It might be controversial but why not push more fishing competitions. Or some kind of sea food festival. Bristol has held an organic food festival now for a few years and people go crazy for it - it must generate a huge amount of money for our local economy (we literally have 1000's of visitors flooding in). Sea food is so trendy these days there has to be some mileage in it, e.g. the oyster festival(s) over in Ireland, certainly eating sea food has a wider appeal - who knows - just some more random thoughts...
 
Will the breeding bass fishing on our west coast ever stop?
Unfortunately while easy money is the name of the game i dont think it will!!
Our biggest enemy is the apathy of the masses.
If only a couple of you spearo`s could go out there in the summer and anchor up a couple of really life like seals or other predators then perhaps the bass would move some where else. Pie in the sky i know cos they would just be found again.
Where`s the phone book;
now let me see ..Gr......Green.........Greenpea........Greenpeace............ Ring Ring.......Ring Ring... Hello yes hello, its about the slaughter of the breeding bass.......oh! i see ............your busy........

Not enough people care!!!!!:vangry
 
Maybe we could see if Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall would do a program on it? He seems keen to promote sustainable fishing and farming practices of all kinds, and I know he's been fishing in Guernsey before...just an idea???

Edit: OK I just went to the site to see if I could dig up the contact details for his production team. Seems he's too busy with his ChickenOut! campaign to support any other causes at the moment, but I am going to register on his forums and see if I can get through to someone on there...

Edit: OK done, and PM sent to River Cottage moderator. Link is here: http://community.rivercottage.net/users/the_milkman/forums/current-issues/viewtopic/topic_id:21844
 
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This isn't quite true. There has been no huge increase in recreational angling in recent years (if anything there has been a decline). What has changed is that as fish stocks have dwindled, angling groups have become more vocal about commercial overfishing. This has resulted in elements of the commercial fishing industry trying to point the finger at anglers as being responsible for falling fish stocks (rather than themselves)

I agree Dave, unfortunately policy (ie. who gets what, where, when, and how) is, as we know, often not determined by facts on the ground or other such realities. Perceptions, especially those touted loudly in the press, play a key role in accelerating bad policymaking.
 
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Right on target with the letters. Remember "you catch more flys with honey than vinegar" rule! Less invective (rightious indignation) and more calm mature hard facts backed up by some reasonble compromise. Offering solutions as well as pointing out problems gets the powers-that-be's attention. Good luck!:head
 
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Maybe we could see if Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall would do a program on it? He seems keen to promote sustainable fishing and farming practices of all kinds, and I know he's been fishing in Guernsey before...just an idea???

Edit: OK I just went to the site to see if I could dig up the contact details for his production team. Seems he's too busy with his ChickenOut! campaign to support any other causes at the moment, but I am going to register on his forums and see if I can get through to someone on there...

Edit: OK done, and PM sent to River Cottage moderator. Link is here: River Cottage Community - The slaughter of spawning bass off Guernsey

This is a great idea! Well done. In my opinion we need to focus on the fact that the bass are congregating in such huge numbers, and therefor landed in such huge numbers, because they are all geting together to make babies, to make future Bass which will end up all over the place so it's not just a localised concern. We really need a Marine Biologist to explain the breeding cycle of the Bass, how they only congregate in such big numbers once a year only to breed (the same happens in the Mediterranean by the way), the fact that bass is a slow-growing fish so it takes a few years to reach sexual maturity etc. etc. When we have these facts to hand from a recognised authority then we can highlight the massive impact this style of fishing could be having for the future.
 
I know the man for the job Spaniard. In fact he used to work at River Cottage HQ doing the 'Catch and Cook' days. Unfortunately, right now, he is in the wilds of West Africa and plans to stay there for some time! - Doh! Tom spent his degree days studying Marine Biology at Plymouth. His dissertation was all about bass!
 
I know the man for the job Spaniard. In fact he used to work at River Cottage HQ doing the 'Catch and Cook' days. Unfortunately, right now, he is in the wilds of West Africa and plans to stay there for some time! - Doh! Tom spent his degree days studying Marine Biology at Plymouth. His dissertation was all about bass!

Excellent news - cold, hard facts can only help!
 
I think there is something is arie with our sea fisheries!
Well for gods sake, as long as they say it is OK for the licensed fisherman (or any recreational fisherman) to catch as many bass as he can then they will!
As far as I know there are just a few individual who can make this decision, they are the Guernsey sea fisheries officers but for "some reason" they seem to think it is OK!!
We need to target these people, get them in the lime light & ask why!
 
Are there any good investigative journalists in Guernsey who want to ask these questions to those involved and make the papers/news? It should be highlighted in the media as much as possible! Make those f*****s feel uncomfortable under the spotlight and get them to explain their actions!
 
Mate I am on the case - but the news is spreading fast anyway, you can find controversy about the the Guernsey bass fishery on several international forums.
I want someone in authority to explain the situation in public & then justify our sea fisheries stance & why they feel no restrictions are needed?
So far sea fisheries have made a few brief statements in our paper but they need to be put under pressure to give more details on there reasoning.
 
see ‘Some think fish should not be caught at all’ News This Is Guernsey for some old news and info on the stance taken by sea fisheries.

What can we work on?? I reckon the bit where he says about new information coming up and the fact they think the bass won't return to that mark. Well they did, and they have done every single year, so that's new information and it needs to be re-assessed and new scientific data considered??
 
Andy, why, do you think, the commercial boys fishing the mark did not shop the trawler who lost his net? It is illegal to trawl the mark, the incident was well known!
I have been discussing the situation with one of the few commercials who actually agrees with our views - I hope to get a bit more from him before I attempt a letter.
 
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