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Sea Angling for Spearos
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hehehe... Nothing fun about putting your fingers in a ling or tusk's mouth I can promise you! they have needle like teeth that will give you a bite that will bleed for time and probably get infected.
Fishy reportings from Norway in 09:
Took a boat trip with 3 friends today to Nedstrandsfjorden here in the Norwegian westland. Weather was beautiful, crisp and sunny with very little wind.
We anchored up over a slope and let out rode to fish depths from 250-450 metres.
Target species in the deep as always are Ling, Tusk and any oddities that turn up... I had hoped for a black mouth catshark.
Kjetil was first to hook something, Spurdog it was.
Quickly followed by myself, yet another spurdog.
My next drop produced more sharky pests in the form of the bizzare Velvet Belly Lantern shark.
Next up Thore got a Velvet belly.
Kjetil then grabbed a brace of nice Ling just under 4kg.
tbc...
Took a boat trip with 3 friends today to Nedstrandsfjorden here in the Norwegian westland. Weather was beautiful, crisp and sunny with very little wind.
We anchored up over a slope and let out rode to fish depths from 250-450 metres.
Target species in the deep as always are Ling, Tusk and any oddities that turn up... I had hoped for a black mouth catshark.
Kjetil was first to hook something, Spurdog it was.
Quickly followed by myself, yet another spurdog.
My next drop produced more sharky pests in the form of the bizzare Velvet Belly Lantern shark.
Next up Thore got a Velvet belly.
Kjetil then grabbed a brace of nice Ling just under 4kg.
tbc...
part 2:
I followed with a double of Velvet bellies.
Then I got a Ling
Then I got one last... Sigh!
and to finish off the day another spurdoggy
So plenty shark but not the one I wanted and only 3 useful Ling coming onboard but it was great to be out on the sea again
I followed with a double of Velvet bellies.
Then I got a Ling
Then I got one last... Sigh!
and to finish off the day another spurdoggy
So plenty shark but not the one I wanted and only 3 useful Ling coming onboard but it was great to be out on the sea again
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Cool posts Atomic. Baited, luminous muppets? That's a new one to me. Good for sharks I see!Happy New Year all!
I was planning (& packing) to fish yesterday but alas the dreaded winter lurgy hit me suddenly & hard. Could barely walk or cough, going hot & cold. Feeling somewhat better today. So, fingers crossed, might try a little flattie fishing tomorrow.I've had 2 long winters to prepare for this flatty trip (think I was ill same time year), so have about 10 homemade flounder spoon rigs, 4 or 5 AtomicHaggis flatty rigs and I've accumulated 3 commercial flounder spoon rigs. Unfortunately, I think the fishing shops will be closed tomorrow, so bait will be a problem. I thawed a frozen sardine & taken a sliver of mullet fillet & cut it into thin strips as a back-up but would be happier using rag worm. Maybe I'll see if I can find an old gardening fork to trying digging some bait.
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Happy New Year!
yeah lumi muppets are standard kit for fishing in the deep as well as lumi tubing, lumi shads, grubs, blinking lights and anything else with its own light source.
I was using a very basic 2 hook paternoster with relatively small hooks with sharks in mind... was a borrowed rig but similar to my own type.
Good luck with the flatties!
yeah lumi muppets are standard kit for fishing in the deep as well as lumi tubing, lumi shads, grubs, blinking lights and anything else with its own light source.
I was using a very basic 2 hook paternoster with relatively small hooks with sharks in mind... was a borrowed rig but similar to my own type.
Good luck with the flatties!
Nice session, weird looking things those sharks, I may brave the sub zero temperatures tomorrow night if I get back from the last family Christmas/new year meal still able to move. I my not be able to get in the wetsuit til the sea warms up at this rate...
Ormering tides soon. First tide of the year next Sunday 11th, and it's not too bad a one either at 1.2m so I expect to see loads of brave hardy souls out there while I test my new waders and hopefully keep fairly warm. Anyone local fancy a go and meet up somewhere to team up on some of those big rocks??
Ormering tides soon. First tide of the year next Sunday 11th, and it's not too bad a one either at 1.2m so I expect to see loads of brave hardy souls out there while I test my new waders and hopefully keep fairly warm. Anyone local fancy a go and meet up somewhere to team up on some of those big rocks??
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So that's what a flat fish looks like (I've still to get one). My word - 3 AtomicHaggis - they've cloned Davy! They'll be no fish left for the rest of us now rofl
We popped down to Poole Harbour this Sunday morning. The Angling store at Poole Quay, just off the High St. was open - small but with loads of interesting gear & helpful advice but unfortunately no rag worms which complicated our plans considerably. Ended up circumnavigating Hole Bay, unsuccessfully looking for Wessex Angling. Decided to fish Hole Bay with our back-up bait but a quick word from a local fisherman persuaded us to "try. try, try again" to find Wessex Angling for rag worms. With our recently aquired knowledge of Poole's topology, we found Wessex Angling quite easily second time (quite close to Hole Bay). They had unusually small rag worms (digging has been difficult with the hard frosts this year), which was fine as we were targetting flatties with Aberdeen #2 hooks. Also got some small frozen sandeels for future use. They suggested Rockley as a possible alternative to Hole Bay (which abutts a dual carriageway), so we went there - a minor epic in itself; fortunately the locals were very knowledgeable & helpful (one promising looking location with several fisherman was described by a local as completely devoid of fish all year!). By the time we'd set up, we missed the short incoming tide & had to make the best of the double high tide (the opposite of Lulworth area).
Met several anglers, only one had caught a fish & all looked dejected. One guy reckoned you need spring tides and a rising tide, high tide or just after high tide.
We wasted a lot of time running around today finding places & only fished for a couple of hours in the end but now we know a few key places, so next time we should be able to go straight to it. We caught nothing but got to try out some new gear & filter out viable rigs from non viable. The AtomicHaggis flattie rig was, again, the easiest to deal with, the Fladden Flattie rig the worst -- as somebody suggested before, probably designed for boat fishing). Flounder spoons are not generally used for shore around Poole judging from today's crowd, although I gave one a try (2 of us fishing with 3 rods) for a while, and a couple of baited spinners. Typical flattie catches seem to be around 1+lb but we heard a couple of reports of an unusually good number of 4lb+ catches this year (nothing on the telly perhaps).
roflWe popped down to Poole Harbour this Sunday morning. The Angling store at Poole Quay, just off the High St. was open
- small but with loads of interesting gear & helpful advice but unfortunately no rag worms which complicated our plans considerably. Ended up circumnavigating Hole Bay, unsuccessfully looking for Wessex Angling. Decided to fish Hole Bay with our back-up bait but a quick word from a local fisherman persuaded us to "try. try, try again" to find Wessex Angling for rag worms. With our recently aquired knowledge of Poole's topology, we found Wessex Angling quite easily second time (quite close to Hole Bay). They had unusually small rag worms (digging has been difficult with the hard frosts this year), which was fine as we were targetting flatties with Aberdeen #2 hooks. Also got some small frozen sandeels for future use. They suggested Rockley as a possible alternative to Hole Bay (which abutts a dual carriageway), so we went there - a minor epic in itself; fortunately the locals were very knowledgeable & helpful (one promising looking location with several fisherman was described by a local as completely devoid of fish all year!). By the time we'd set up, we missed the short incoming tide & had to make the best of the double high tide (the opposite of Lulworth area). Met several anglers, only one had caught a fish & all looked dejected. One guy reckoned you need spring tides and a rising tide, high tide or just after high tide.
We wasted a lot of time running around today finding places & only fished for a couple of hours in the end but now we know a few key places, so next time we should be able to go straight to it. We caught nothing but got to try out some new gear & filter out viable rigs from non viable. The AtomicHaggis flattie rig was, again, the easiest to deal with, the Fladden Flattie rig the worst -- as somebody suggested before, probably designed for boat fishing). Flounder spoons are not generally used for shore around Poole judging from today's crowd, although I gave one a try (2 of us fishing with 3 rods) for a while, and a couple of baited spinners. Typical flattie catches seem to be around 1+lb but we heard a couple of reports of an unusually good number of 4lb+ catches this year (nothing on the telly perhaps
).
Tip: Freeing a snagged line
This is probably obvious for you experienced fishermen but it was a minor revelation to me. Can't recall where I first came across this, as a passing aside, perhaps a post from Magpie, Mike Ladle, a magazine article or book - I forget, but it has already saved me several lots of terminal tackle, considerable lengths of expensive braid, and the risk of breaking my fishing rod/reel-clutch.
When a lure/spinner/terminal rig gets snagged and a normal tug will not free it - do not tug harder with the rod, do not tighten the clutch to get more purchase!!!: And its not only me that did this, as I came across a custom rod builder who hates braid because too many of his customers broke their rods trying to yank hooks free.
Instead wrap your braid/line round a stick (some carry a piece of thick dowel for this purpose) or, as I used this weekend, a smooth rock or large pebble and pull with the stick/rock instead of the rod. With the 30lb Whiplash briad & 20lb fluorocarbon leader/trace, and with my 15lb mono, it has been 100% successful in recovering the snagged gear so far. Much better than I expected. My aim was simply to avoid damaging the rods, I thought I would just break the line but every snagged item was recovered. Result!
One more tip, look away when pulling, the terminal gear might well end up hurtling back towards your face.
This is probably obvious for you experienced fishermen but it was a minor revelation to me. Can't recall where I first came across this, as a passing aside, perhaps a post from Magpie, Mike Ladle, a magazine article or book - I forget, but it has already saved me several lots of terminal tackle, considerable lengths of expensive braid, and the risk of breaking my fishing rod/reel-clutch.
When a lure/spinner/terminal rig gets snagged and a normal tug will not free it - do not tug harder with the rod, do not tighten the clutch to get more purchase!!!:
And its not only me that did this, as I came across a custom rod builder who hates braid because too many of his customers broke their rods trying to yank hooks free.Instead wrap your braid/line round a stick (some carry a piece of thick dowel for this purpose) or, as I used this weekend, a smooth rock or large pebble and pull with the stick/rock instead of the rod. With the 30lb Whiplash briad & 20lb fluorocarbon leader/trace, and with my 15lb mono, it has been 100% successful in recovering the snagged gear so far. Much better than I expected. My aim was simply to avoid damaging the rods, I thought I would just break the line but every snagged item was recovered. Result!
One more tip, look away when pulling, the terminal gear might well end up hurtling back towards your face.
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Hardy Greenheart Trout Rod
BTW Via a friend, I had my Hardy fly rod examined by a member of the Piscatorial Society (the one that banned Queen Victoria for a while). Also, The Field Magazine included a small piece on it, with information they found from the maker, Apparently it was made in 1938 - they included the actual day it was made! I might be able to find out who it was made for. I suspect the original owner is local, owned & used the rod most of his life and passed away recently. It is a high quality trout rod. The Piscatorial Society chap thought the shorter of the two tips was likely the original tip which had broken and been repaired and then replaced. Both suggest the rod should be cherished and displayed rather than used. The maker suggested rubbing it with linseed oil. Despite several concerns about flexibility, the rod flexes well, as my 80+ year old flyfishing neighbour demonstrated to me.
I am undecided about what to do with it but there is no rush. I was surprised that "my interior designer" suggested I display it too. Not sure how/where/why. Part of me says, it's a rod - use it, that's what it was made for. Originally I thought I'd like to try a little sea fly fishing for mullet/bass but I think the saltwater environment would be excessively harsh and heavy on such a grand old rod. So maybe a little light trout fishing locally? Or maybe put it up on ebay for a collector/vintage fishing buff. I saw a double video taken from a TV series I think about a group of anglers than use only vintage gear. They go about in tweeds & deer stalkers with cane rods & wooden reels and such like.
BTW Via a friend, I had my Hardy fly rod examined by a member of the Piscatorial Society (the one that banned Queen Victoria for a while). Also, The Field Magazine included a small piece on it, with information they found from the maker, Apparently it was made in 1938 - they included the actual day it was made! I might be able to find out who it was made for. I suspect the original owner is local, owned & used the rod most of his life and passed away recently. It is a high quality trout rod. The Piscatorial Society chap thought the shorter of the two tips was likely the original tip which had broken and been repaired and then replaced. Both suggest the rod should be cherished and displayed rather than used. The maker suggested rubbing it with linseed oil. Despite several concerns about flexibility, the rod flexes well, as my 80+ year old flyfishing neighbour demonstrated to me.
I am undecided about what to do with it but there is no rush. I was surprised that "my interior designer" suggested I display it too. Not sure how/where/why. Part of me says, it's a rod - use it, that's what it was made for. Originally I thought I'd like to try a little sea fly fishing for mullet/bass but I think the saltwater environment would be excessively harsh and heavy on such a grand old rod. So maybe a little light trout fishing locally? Or maybe put it up on ebay for a collector/vintage fishing buff. I saw a double video taken from a TV series I think about a group of anglers than use only vintage gear. They go about in tweeds & deer stalkers with cane rods & wooden reels and such like.
Cool! As a re-enactor I heartily say go get the derstalker and tweeds! I too have vintage gear that was owned by my wife's great grandfather. most is shadow-boxed or handed down to kids for keepsakes. Some is still used to this day. In 50 years I can only hope someone will cherish and USE my gear -- hopefully a relative with fond memories. :friday
I like that, although realistically my spearing & climbing gear will likely end up in jumble sale or on the local dump! I wish I had more bits & pieces from my grandparents - but only one was alive by the time I was born. My in-laws recently turned up a picture of their (I think) great great great grandpa, in US civil war Union officers uniform - a surprise as he was previously described as a well to do New York sculptor. Apparently Grandpa was stoking a bonfire with old photographs when one of the kids asked what he was burning! Bet a lot of stuff ends up like that.BTW I read Henry Gilbey's article in Sea Angler this month -- good detail, although I had the strange feeling that he might have borrowed some of his information and suggestions from this thread! (Fair enough, he and Mike Ladle have been a good source of information for the rest of us!).
Mr X, Chris Yates is the TV guy you are referring too, if you ever get to read his books then - well you will be a better man for it! "The deepening pool" is one, a beautiful rich story of the British carp record holders dedication & traditional skills. He caught a 51lb carp on some ancient split cane rod using a grain of sweetcorn but it is the way the story comes across.
The other book is called "Casting to the sun" & again is a touching & beautiful book.
The other book is called "Casting to the sun" & again is a touching & beautiful book.
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Two angling notices arrived from the Countryside Alliance today:
Can't say I feel particularly strongly about either of these. You'd think rod catches would be particularly sustainable. The impression I get is that we are paying way too much tax for politicians & civil servants in all sorts of places and at all sorts of levels to introduce a never ending stream of rules and regulation, usually against us.
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So after having had a poor year fish wise so far I decided to take the nipper out somewhere today (half term holidays...) with some verm which survived my freezing down bait session and seeing as I'm addicted to bass I had to go somewhere with a chance of one...
Normally fish this mark in darkness on a bigger tide (8.5m+) so today's 6.4 in daylight is quite different...
So down on the beach and rods out get them in the water with the fresh verm and wait. Rough ground mark so expected to be hammered with rockies in no time (for the nipper to catch of course...) but it didn't happen... Not a rockie in sight which is most odd for that mark.
After a while and a few sets of gear we see a fish not 10ft in front of us come clean out the water. A bass of maybe 4lb or so so renewed vigour and my one plug came out of the bag (had the family car not the fishing one...) and start thrashing the sea. Not a sniff.
So gave up on that and chucked a big verm bait as far as the 30lb line would go with a 2oz lead...
After a moment I felt movement, dropped the rod tip, line tightened and hit it. Fish On!! But what was it?? Rockie? Pollack, Bass?? And then it hit the surface about 50 ards out. Bass!! and a fighty one as well. played it to our feet and pulled him out. That's got to be in for the club I say to the nipper. Scales out and it goes 3-9-0. First fish in!!
So there you go. Try something different, like daytime bait fishing on sh1t tides!!
Doesn't he make it look heavy!! Apparently there are spiky bits on a bass. Stop moaning and hold it up boy.
Normally fish this mark in darkness on a bigger tide (8.5m+) so today's 6.4 in daylight is quite different...
So down on the beach and rods out get them in the water with the fresh verm and wait. Rough ground mark so expected to be hammered with rockies in no time (for the nipper to catch of course...) but it didn't happen... Not a rockie in sight which is most odd for that mark.
After a while and a few sets of gear we see a fish not 10ft in front of us come clean out the water. A bass of maybe 4lb or so so renewed vigour and my one plug came out of the bag (had the family car not the fishing one...) and start thrashing the sea. Not a sniff.
So gave up on that and chucked a big verm bait as far as the 30lb line would go with a 2oz lead...
After a moment I felt movement, dropped the rod tip, line tightened and hit it. Fish On!! But what was it?? Rockie? Pollack, Bass?? And then it hit the surface about 50 ards out. Bass!! and a fighty one as well. played it to our feet and pulled him out. That's got to be in for the club I say to the nipper. Scales out and it goes 3-9-0. First fish in!!
So there you go. Try something different, like daytime bait fishing on sh1t tides!!
Doesn't he make it look heavy!! Apparently there are spiky bits on a bass. Stop moaning and hold it up boy.