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Sharks and Spearfishing
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Polystigma said:
BULLSHIT Martin! You should not be able to!
Freedive/Spearfishing, unlike hook and line fishing has a degree of danger to it. When you give suggesstions or advice there's always the risk of another newbie cruising the boards who might see your post and think the suggestions and advice are legitimate. While the more experience people are just annoyed, you could be endangering a newer diver.
I've seen this on other forums where a newbie has taken what some other newbie said as fact.
I ask the mods on this board to use the edit button freely on his posts.
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Folks,
The Mentors and Team Leaders have decided to remove a number of posts off this thread as it has become way off topic.
This forum is about being courteous and respectful to people, especially those with a lot more knowledge.
I would like to remind everyone to read the rules: http://forums.deeperblue.net/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_faq_rules
Also - please remember that membership of this site is not a "right" but a "privelege" that we grant. I am a big freedom of speech fan but we operate to protect the people on these forums, whether it is from people out to just argue, or from poor advice that may cause themselves to be injured.
Please try keep this thread on topic - if you have thoughts on my comments please send me a private message or email.
The Mentors and Team Leaders have decided to remove a number of posts off this thread as it has become way off topic.
This forum is about being courteous and respectful to people, especially those with a lot more knowledge.
I would like to remind everyone to read the rules: http://forums.deeperblue.net/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_faq_rules
Also - please remember that membership of this site is not a "right" but a "privelege" that we grant. I am a big freedom of speech fan but we operate to protect the people on these forums, whether it is from people out to just argue, or from poor advice that may cause themselves to be injured.
Please try keep this thread on topic - if you have thoughts on my comments please send me a private message or email.
Polystigma said:
Polystigma said:I did not ask anyone for thier protection nor did I require it. Don't try and make yourself look like some sort of saint for nothing. It all comes down to freedom of speech. I can say whatever I want as long as I follow the rules of the board, etc... I can make any suggestions I want and give any advice I want as long as I follow the rules of the board. If anyone does not want to deal with it then just skip my post. In other words every time you see one of my posts just ignore it. Remember me as the guy who don't know Chit. Ahh the guy who don't know chit, I like that.And yes I have shot a fish, but it's nothing to be proud of.
The guy who don't know chit.
That sure looks like you wrote it.
Spinal Tap said:
Ohh! now you put it back up. So why did you take it down and put it back up again? Kinda sounds like someone wasted thier time.
Oh so we follow the rules and keep it on topic.
I hate sharks. I only like them on the BBQ.
I 2nd Cdavis, this kid has nothing to contribute...absolutley nothing and refuses to keep quiet and learn w/ an open mind.
Ok here is a article related to the topic. Shark attacks on the fall. HAPPY?
World Shark Attacks Dipped in 2005, Part of Long-Term Trend
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Assertive and even aggressive human behavior could explain why shark attacks worldwide dipped last year, continuing a five-year downward trend in close encounters with the oceanic predators, new University of Florida research suggests.
Newswise — Assertive and even aggressive human behavior could explain why shark attacks worldwide dipped last year, continuing a five-year downward trend in close encounters with the oceanic predators, new University of Florida research suggests.
Greater safety precautions and in-your-face responses to confrontations with sharks went a long way in reducing the total number of attacks from 65 in 2004 to 58 in 2005 and fatalities from seven to four, said George Burgess, director of the International Shark Attack File housed at UF’s Florida Museum of Natural History.
In contrast, there were 78 shark attacks — 11 of them fatal — in 2000, the all-time high record year for attacks since statistics were kept, he said.
There also were simply fewer sharks to attack people, a result of a decline in populations caused by overfishing of the carnivorous creature, which generally is slow to reproduce, Burgess said.
“It appears that humans are doing a better job of avoiding being bitten, and on the rare occasion where they actually meet up with a shark, are doing the right thing to save their lives,” he said.
In one such case, a surfer bitten by a great white shark off the Oregon coast on Dec. 24 had the presence of mind to drive it away with a well-timed punch to the nose, he said.
“That gentleman did precisely what he should do under those circumstances,” Burgess said. “A person who is under attack should act aggressively toward the shark and not follow the advice given to women who are having their purses snatched in New York City, which is to lie on the ground, play dead and give up the purse.”
Despite the worldwide decline, the number of attacks in the United States rose slightly, from 30 in 2004 to 38 in 2005. But that is still considerably lower than the recorded high of 52 in 2000, he said.
The same pattern emerged in Florida, the U.S. shark attack capital, where the number of attacks increased from 12 to 18 but was still well below the 2000 record of 37, he said.
The 2004 numbers were the lowest in more than a decade, however, and were probably due to Florida’s unusually active hurricane season, which kept people out of the water, he said.
In addition to last year’s 38 U.S. attacks, Burgess tracked 10 in Australia, four in South Africa and one each in the Bahamas, St. Martin, Mexico, Fiji, Vanuatu and South Korea.
Compared with previous years, the number of attacks in Australia was relatively high last year and in 2004, when there were 12, prompting some people to call for the installation of nets to barricade sharks from beaches, Burgess said. But the per capita rate of shark attacks has not risen over the past century, with apparent increases coinciding with a rise in population and Australia’s growing attraction to tourists in recent decades, he said.
The number of shark attacks at any particular time depends on a variety of factors, including oceanographic and meteorological conditions, abundance of prey items, and very important, the amount of time people spend in the water, he said.
“We need to remember there have been huge changes in how humans use the water over the last 20 to 30 years,” Burgess said. “When our parents and grandparents went into the water, they maybe wiggled their toes, or if they were very daring, jumped in and swam. People of our generation are surfing, diving, sail boarding, scuba diving, skin diving and engaging in all kinds of activities.”
Of this year’s four fatalities, two were in Australia, one in the Indo-Pacific island of Vanuatu and one in the United States.
The U.S. attack occurred June 25 along Florida’s Gulf Coast, when 14-year-old Jamie Daigle was attacked by a bull shark while swimming off Sandestin. It was the state’s first death from a shark attack in four years. Two days later, also in the Florida Panhandle, 16-year-old Craig Hutto lost his right leg to a shark while fishing in waist-deep water off Cape San Blas.
Five of the state’s 18 shark attacks last year occurred along Florida’s Gulf Coast, which is a greater proportion to the Atlantic coast than previous years, Burgess said. “It’s unusual to have only 13 attacks on the state’s eastern coast,” he said.
Elsewhere in the United States, five attacks occurred in South Carolina, four each in Texas and Hawaii, three in California, two in North Carolina and one each in New Jersey and Oregon.
Surfers were the most frequent victims, accounting for 29 incidents, followed by swimmers and waders, 20, and divers, four.
World Shark Attacks Dipped in 2005, Part of Long-Term Trend
Libraries
Science News Keywords
SHARKS
Contact Information
Available for logged-in reporters only
Description
Assertive and even aggressive human behavior could explain why shark attacks worldwide dipped last year, continuing a five-year downward trend in close encounters with the oceanic predators, new University of Florida research suggests.
Newswise — Assertive and even aggressive human behavior could explain why shark attacks worldwide dipped last year, continuing a five-year downward trend in close encounters with the oceanic predators, new University of Florida research suggests.
Greater safety precautions and in-your-face responses to confrontations with sharks went a long way in reducing the total number of attacks from 65 in 2004 to 58 in 2005 and fatalities from seven to four, said George Burgess, director of the International Shark Attack File housed at UF’s Florida Museum of Natural History.
In contrast, there were 78 shark attacks — 11 of them fatal — in 2000, the all-time high record year for attacks since statistics were kept, he said.
There also were simply fewer sharks to attack people, a result of a decline in populations caused by overfishing of the carnivorous creature, which generally is slow to reproduce, Burgess said.
“It appears that humans are doing a better job of avoiding being bitten, and on the rare occasion where they actually meet up with a shark, are doing the right thing to save their lives,” he said.
In one such case, a surfer bitten by a great white shark off the Oregon coast on Dec. 24 had the presence of mind to drive it away with a well-timed punch to the nose, he said.
“That gentleman did precisely what he should do under those circumstances,” Burgess said. “A person who is under attack should act aggressively toward the shark and not follow the advice given to women who are having their purses snatched in New York City, which is to lie on the ground, play dead and give up the purse.”
Despite the worldwide decline, the number of attacks in the United States rose slightly, from 30 in 2004 to 38 in 2005. But that is still considerably lower than the recorded high of 52 in 2000, he said.
The same pattern emerged in Florida, the U.S. shark attack capital, where the number of attacks increased from 12 to 18 but was still well below the 2000 record of 37, he said.
The 2004 numbers were the lowest in more than a decade, however, and were probably due to Florida’s unusually active hurricane season, which kept people out of the water, he said.
In addition to last year’s 38 U.S. attacks, Burgess tracked 10 in Australia, four in South Africa and one each in the Bahamas, St. Martin, Mexico, Fiji, Vanuatu and South Korea.
Compared with previous years, the number of attacks in Australia was relatively high last year and in 2004, when there were 12, prompting some people to call for the installation of nets to barricade sharks from beaches, Burgess said. But the per capita rate of shark attacks has not risen over the past century, with apparent increases coinciding with a rise in population and Australia’s growing attraction to tourists in recent decades, he said.
The number of shark attacks at any particular time depends on a variety of factors, including oceanographic and meteorological conditions, abundance of prey items, and very important, the amount of time people spend in the water, he said.
“We need to remember there have been huge changes in how humans use the water over the last 20 to 30 years,” Burgess said. “When our parents and grandparents went into the water, they maybe wiggled their toes, or if they were very daring, jumped in and swam. People of our generation are surfing, diving, sail boarding, scuba diving, skin diving and engaging in all kinds of activities.”
Of this year’s four fatalities, two were in Australia, one in the Indo-Pacific island of Vanuatu and one in the United States.
The U.S. attack occurred June 25 along Florida’s Gulf Coast, when 14-year-old Jamie Daigle was attacked by a bull shark while swimming off Sandestin. It was the state’s first death from a shark attack in four years. Two days later, also in the Florida Panhandle, 16-year-old Craig Hutto lost his right leg to a shark while fishing in waist-deep water off Cape San Blas.
Five of the state’s 18 shark attacks last year occurred along Florida’s Gulf Coast, which is a greater proportion to the Atlantic coast than previous years, Burgess said. “It’s unusual to have only 13 attacks on the state’s eastern coast,” he said.
Elsewhere in the United States, five attacks occurred in South Carolina, four each in Texas and Hawaii, three in California, two in North Carolina and one each in New Jersey and Oregon.
Surfers were the most frequent victims, accounting for 29 incidents, followed by swimmers and waders, 20, and divers, four.
Polystigma said:
What the hell are you talking about? Are you saying I took your post off? Well, I'm not a mod. If it was taken off after I quoted you in my first reply then it was taken off by someone with that power (or you took it off yourself). Regardless, even if it was taken off that doesn't change the fact you wrote it. I strongly disagree that just because it's within the board rules, then you should have the right to post suggestions and advice when those suggestions or advice could get a newbie in trouble.
I only wish this thread was on SB where I wouldn't have self moderated my responses to you.
I agree with the above posters. This guy needs to be kicked off this board.
Poly, chill. People are trying to offer you advice. While Amphib and I might think it should have been done differently, the message is the same. You arent doing yourself any good by continuing the defensive attitude.
DB is a great place to come and learn. Hit up the search tool. If Stephen ever compiled some of the knowledge shared here over the years he could have one of the best freediving or spearing books ever IMHO.
Things will get personal once in a while, there will be people here you dont like. Such is the nature of life. You will get flamed every once in a while, deserved or not. Suck it up and move on.
Many newbs have come here knowing next to nothing and left great spearos. Murat can tell you first hand how opening yourself up a little will help here. He started of almost just like this and now he is a great contributor to the board.
Good luck
Mike Freeman
DB is a great place to come and learn. Hit up the search tool. If Stephen ever compiled some of the knowledge shared here over the years he could have one of the best freediving or spearing books ever IMHO.
Things will get personal once in a while, there will be people here you dont like. Such is the nature of life. You will get flamed every once in a while, deserved or not. Suck it up and move on.
Many newbs have come here knowing next to nothing and left great spearos. Murat can tell you first hand how opening yourself up a little will help here. He started of almost just like this and now he is a great contributor to the board.
Good luck
Mike Freeman