Sharks in QATAR, Identifying needed please!!

[sanadw]

Thats like me claiming its ok to kill a person because Hitler murdered 6 million people. Its doesnt make any sense.

:head

Talking about killing ... man there is still people in this region are killed in dozens every day, and countries burned!!! ... not for there meat ... but for there OIL!!!!!!!
is it any better than Hitler???

do you think that there is any need to justify killing any more???:vangry

I Wonder if the seasoned men watch TV!!!!! .... you and your brother are spearing HUMANS???

I wonder how the same people fight for animal rights, and totally forget what they are doing in the other hand???:vangry

My fellow I don't and will not justify my spearfishing .... and I think its a good idea to spear DOLPHINS too ... first and last they are FISHES & at least they will die FREE!!!!

 

[deep thinker]

:rcard For that dolphin bit Sanadw :rcard This is the type of stuff that gives spearos a bad reputation. If you want to go spear a dolphin go out and do it but dont voice your opinion on it on a open forum on the net for all to see. We must think about the ramifications of what we say and do and how it gets portrayed to the rest of the world who have no idea as to what spearfishing is and how we harvest fish from the sea, they think were murdering commandos allready, dont give them reason to justify those thoughts...

 

[Craig Thailand]

Deepthinker - I think that Sanadw finds it a bit frustrating that he has to some how justify his personal likes and dislikes of spearfishing to a fellow spearo, i feel much the same way to be honest. Why should i have to justify what i do to anyone, we are all shooting fish just that we shoot different ones to you guys that is all.
Shadow killer - This is a place where i feel we should be able to talk freely about what we enjoy in this sport without having to worry about coming under attack from others, i get enough of that on the beach after a shore dive. Listening to others points of view is a great way to learn more about our own actions, and how they effect others, but blatently attacking someones opinion and telling them they are wrong is not a great start to a conversation.
As this site and particularly this forum is mostly graced by the presence of Spearos it seems hard to believe that anything said in here would make any kind of effect on the outside world. Lets not forget that the general public dont really look at these sites so much. I tend to get a bit carried away when i am typing about something that i love as much as this, and it is good to see i am not the only one. We all love spearing even if we love some aspects more than others, lets just remember that we are all part of the same gang here, the DB gang.

Sanadw - I don't think we need to justify our preferances regarding spearfishing anymore than we do our preferances towards breakfast. More importently are you any closer to identifying that shark?

 

[baracuda]

aaaaaand now time for something more
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[deep thinker]

Craig I know what Sanad is tryin to get across and I doubt he really wants to shoot a dolphin and I have nothing against his personal opinion, but that is not a way to try and get a point across. As for its mostly spearos here, its very easy to bump into this thread by simply typing dolphins or sharks into your google search tab. We are all spearos and love our sport, hobby, way of life, what ever we want to call it alot, so we should want people to see it in a positive way and portay ourselfes as responsible individuals who love the ocean dearly. If I didnt know any better and I bumped into a statement like that I wouldnt be a happy camper. Hope this clears it up I didnt go after him as a person or spearo, just the way hes trying to make a point, its iresponsible...

 

[Shadowkiller]

and I think its a good idea to spear DOLPHINS too ... first and last they are FISHES & at least they will die FREE!!!!

Sounds like you did inhale...

Dolphins are MAMMALS. Not fish.


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As for "attacking" opinions: Isn't that the point of a discussion? Should I not disagree with you? What? I disagree with what you stated earlier. Get over it.

Using commerical fishing practices to justify spearfishing is stupid. Period.

Spearfishing is a sustainable way to fish, minimises the pain and distress to fish, if they are killed quickly. End of story. Notice how I didnt have to make any references to shark finning, or dolphin killing for that matter.

If you want to respond to peoples reservations about spearfishing don't attempt to deflect criticism, answer it! Deflecting criticism (by say ranting about the war on oil) makes people look like they have something to hide. Politicians do it all the time, and no one believes them...

And for those of you who don't believe you need to be able to justify an activity in todays "ban everything" society... Good luck.

 

[Craig Thailand]

Blah-d-BlahBlah Yadda Yadda Yada - let's just agree to disagee my good man, this starting to turn nasty and I have better things to do with my time that sit behind my screen bitching at one another, it makes for boring reading for the other posters. Stay wet, stay Happy.

 

[Shadowkiller]

let's just agree to disagee my good man, this starting to turn nasty and I have better things to do .

I take it that you think Spearfishing can NOT be justified on the grounds of it being sustainable and low impact? That is has to be compared to commercial fishing in order to deflect criticism?

I think its sad that reality should be ignored in this discussion. I really do. I spend a lot of time arguing with university Scientists and Government officials over this very point. I try to get the sustainability message across, but a bit of support would be nice.

And given the huge amount of karma I have been gifted from the last two posts, numerous DB members agree with me...

 

[Craig Thailand]

I was talking about killing sharks, not justiying the reasons why we spear fish, i would have thought that muich was obvious. Our original discussion was regarding the killing of sharks not the sustainabilty of spearfishing. If you read my post i already said that i agree with you on the point of sustainability. It is easier to make a comparison than to explain to most people who complain about spearing and forget about it the next day. What i don't agree with you on is making a mountain out of a molehill, with regards to me killing A shark. I hope this is clear enough for you now!!!! This is my last post on this topic, if you insist on bantering on about sustainability to me it is falling on deaf ears because i worked that much out when i was about 8 years old, son of a trawlerman sees alot of fish being pulled out of one hual, and one fish on a spear. Do the math. The anoying thing is we both have came to the same conclusion but we arrived there by walking different paths, stick to university Scientists and Government officials, they are the ones that need convincing, not your own kind. Best Regards

 

[Pastor]

Craig, I totally agree. Just one more won't matter, they taste nice!

 

[sanadw]

Thanks Carig.... I don't have to replay now, thats pretty much it!!!

just drench the meat with wine or vinegar all night long, better to keep it in the refrigerator.... this will take all the ammonia out of the meat and will make it taste very good. :inlove

 

[Craig Thailand]

sounds good

 

[getawayFK]

By the way, does anyone know if there are Tiger sharks in the Persian Gulf? and how about bull sharks?

Also, im surprised that according to ISAF, Iran has the highest shark attacks of all countries of Asian continent (although the latest fatalities dates from 1985). Map of Asia's Confirmed Unprovoked Shark Attacks

Regards

 

[Amphibious]

By the way, does anyone know if there are Tiger sharks in the Persian Gulf? and how about bull sharks?

yes and yes.

 

[getawayFK]

amphibious, could you tell me more about that?

 

[Amphibious]

I've dove with tigers off the saudi coast, Kiran Island (turtle nesting ground/sactuary) and bull sharks (or a close sub species) exist in most coastal waters in the gulf.

keep your eyes open, but I wouldn't be worried to much.

 

[sanadw]

I've dove with tigers off the saudi coast, Kiran Island (turtle nesting ground/sactuary) and bull sharks (or a close sub species) exist in most coastal waters in the gulf.

keep your eyes open, but I wouldn't be worried to much.

Man I am diving in qatar for more than 10 years and never saw a bull or a tiger!!!!!
non of all my firends ever saw one, not even catch one with lines!!!

If those sharks really exist in the gulf for sure they can't live in the shallow waters around QATAR.
I think the place that you are talking about in Kiran island is very deep??

man my friend Baracuda dove near rigs in a very deep water at night and never saw something like that here!!!!

maybe hummer heads but tigers and bulls ..... now way.

post a new topic and lets see if any saw one here ever????

 

[Amphibious]

they are there, but as non sustainable fishing practices have left the gulf a nearly dead fishery, it would go to logic that shark numbers would be dwindling as well.

no where in the gulf is very deep. have only seen 10 or so tigers and they were all in shallow water, usually from the relative safety of a swimgrid

there are lots of bulls in the gulf. just because you don't see them doesn;t mean they arn't there. I spent 18yrs in Saudi arabia, many of those diving around bahrain and the saudi coast north of quatar. the gulf fishery is dying very quickly, largely do to gillnets and trapping. if you haven't seen a shark in the gulf in the last ten years, I doubt very much your chances wuill improve in the next ten.

the last bullshark I caught on a rod in the gulf was in 1.5m of water off a shallow sandy beach at night, about 40m from shore.

 

[getawayFK]

the last bullshark I caught on a rod in the gulf was in 1.5m of water off a shallow sandy beach at night, about 40m from shore.

Im very surprised. When and where was that exactly? and what was your catch weight/length ?

 

[sanadw]

man thats definitely long long time ago!!!
now every thing changed, so much CONSTRUCTION day and night in qatar,Bahrain and for sure UAE. and don't forget the temp. raise too!!!

we used to see or sometimes catch Hummer heads on lines.... but now they are really very rare too.
and its not only me ..... I know more than 20 spearos and fishermen here who spend time in water more than land and none of them ever saw or catch one from such a long time!

I think the shark attacks chart says it all..... nothing since 1985.