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Spearfishing Float/Board

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Hi All,

I own an Omer Shardana and after only the second dive it had started to take on water :head, this was bought from Subprof mail order to UK and cost me in total £100. I have emailed them many a time but they want me to send the float back to them which is going to cost more because it has taken on a fair bit of water!

Does anyone either have a contact for Omer where they speak English or a solution for fixing the float?

It is solid red plastic in construction.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Ryan

Hi Ryan - I believe it is a hollow shell and when you say it is taking in water then it implies that the shell is not solid but has a hole or two. I would find the hole and patch it with a good quality marine sealant. Even regular silicone will do it but something stronger will last longer. Try to get all the water out of course. If you want to do an even more permanant fix it can be welded using the same material. It certainly should be returnable for a full refund.

John
 
since this thread is about surface boards I post this update on my own board. It is very close to going into production. It will be made in
San Francisco. It has been tested and works even better than I hoped - very little drag and it is comfortable to kick out and in on. The balance is just right. I added some buoyancy to the front - making the buoyancy about 100lbs. It will be made 100% in the USA and I think that is actually a good thing if you compare it to products made in China. I don't know if any of these other surface boards are made in China but if they are I think it is possibly negative simply because of quality control. I want this thing in Europe. It will certainly be useful anywhere there are shore divers that hunt.
John
 

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Tunny, easy way to find a leak (like for plastic sit on top kayaks) is to fill it with water. Then look to see where the leak is coming from.

I expect it where a fixture requires sealant. Buy some marine quality sealent and refit the fixture.

Nice looking product John.
 
Nice design there i like the idea of the high flag will be easier to c the flag from far distance, but what about this orange color sheet there is it removable? can u put water or something inside that...

All best
 
Nice design there i like the idea of the high flag will be easier to c the flag from far distance, but what about this orange color sheet there is it removable? can u put water or something inside that...

All best

I used an old fishing rod for the flag rod (works great). The flag holder is a fitting electricians call a "strain relief fitting". It does a great job as a flag holder. The orange lid is tethered at 4 or 5 points (in this case 4). It opens and closes of course. The cargo area is self bailing.
 

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Hi Ryan - I believe it is a hollow shell and when you say it is taking in water then it implies that the shell is not solid but has a hole or two. I would find the hole and patch it with a good quality marine sealant. Even regular silicone will do it but something stronger will last longer. Try to get all the water out of course. If you want to do an even more permanant fix it can be welded using the same material. It certainly should be returnable for a full refund.

John


Hi John,

The only problem is it is a sealed unit, but there is a bolt going through it and I think this is where it leaking. I have had it in the bath and squeezed but no bubbles!

I would send it back but it will cost me even more to do so as it is heavier now and it has to go back to spain!

I am going to unbolt the eye and have a look at re-sealing it see if that works...

Cheers

Ryan
 
Hi John,

The only problem is it is a sealed unit, but there is a bolt going through it and I think this is where it leaking. I have had it in the bath and squeezed but no bubbles!

I would send it back but it will cost me even more to do so as it is heavier now and it has to go back to spain!

I am going to unbolt the eye and have a look at re-sealing it see if that works...

Cheers

Ryan

Hi Ryan - what I would do is what Pav suggested and fill it up with water to find any leaks. Create a hole in a location that is easily patched yet out of harms way then fill it up. Any leaks will reveal themselves. I would think that where the floatline attachment is that they had a hole molded through - that is what I have done with mine anyways. Good luck!
John
 

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Hi Ryan - what I would do is what Pav suggested and fill it up with water to find any leaks. Create a hole in a location that is easily patched yet out of harms way then fill it up. Any leaks will reveal themselves. I would think that where the floatline attachment is that they had a hole molded through - that is what I have done with mine anyways. Good luck!
John

Hi John,

Did you have a leak in yours there too? - That is definitely where my leak is how exactly did you seal yours around the eye bolt and nut.

Cheers

Ryan
 
Hi John,

Did you have a leak in yours there too? - That is definitely where my leak is how exactly did you seal yours around the eye bolt and nut.

Cheers

Ryan
Hi Ryan - I don't own a shardana but am developing a similar product. I would remove the bolt and apply a generous amount of marine grade sealant in that cavity/hole then reinstall the bolt.
John
 
Hi Ryan - I don't own a shardana but am developing a similar product. I would remove the bolt and apply a generous amount of marine grade sealant in that cavity/hole then reinstall the bolt.
John


Thanks John will do, if you are developing one thing I will say is that it could do with being a little more buoyant than the shardana.

Cheers

Ryan
 
Thanks John will do, if you are developing one thing I will say is that it could do with being a little more buoyant than the shardana.

Cheers

Ryan

I am not sure what the buoyancy on the shardana is but mine has about 100 lbs. Thanks.
 
Hi John,

Right I finally found the right size socket to fit (21/32 imperial) however there is no hole but where the join is in this cavity is where it is taking in water. I now have two options I can make another hole to drain the water and either filll with expanding foam and seal with marine grade sealant or just re-seal once I have drained the water out?

What are your thoughts mate?

Cheers

Ryan
 
Here's what I've used as floats (marker buoys and equipment holders) for surface swimming. I don't fish, heck, I'm afraid of fish (sic!)

1. Omer Atoll float, shown on the dock for desalination in the pic. I agree with some of the other posters that Atoll floats suck. They simply aren't that seaworthy. They definitively require ballast in waves and wind, after which they become even heavier to tow. The original flag and pole attachment won't keep the pole standing properly in wind. The original stitching isn't of very good quality.

I've modified mine a bit to better fit my needs.
- I sew to the nylon shell of the original a lot of PALs/Molle straps (ie, 1" webbing used in military kit for attaching pouches and such to vests and whatever). To this I've attached mil gear pouches holding flares, PLB, VHF and whatever, mostly safety gear.
- Reinforced original stitching where it looked weak
- I've used the original velcro straps on the bottom to attach 1lb belt weights for ballast. I've typically used 3x1lb
- I made the elastic attachment for the flag pole much tighter by sewing so that the pole is better secured (not as easily bent down by wind)
- I've added a rubber line between pole and deck to give the pole more stability in wind
- I've extended the original pole for better visibility, and added a fluorescent yellow pennant on top
- Changed the original US diver down flag for the international A-flag

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My modded Atoll works for me in relatively calm conditions, but beyond 10m/s the flagpole bends until the flag touches water. Heavy to tow, especially in high headwinds. Carries a lot of gadgets.

2. Rob Allen foam blown (rigid) torpedo float (11l)
Well made, seaworthy, durable. Low towing resistance. Doesn't carry anything but the flag (and keel). I have the A-flag, which seems smaller than the US diver-down. At least the A-flag doesn't come with a wire stiffener, and hence needs to modified. Without the stiffener, the longish A-flag has the tendency to wrap around the pole in modest (~5m/s) winds, so the wire is necessary even if it isn't calm. The pole is short and the plain orange hull isn't that visible. Beats me why they don't make these fluorescent yellow? I modded my float with fluorescent yellow stickers. (I also covered the lead keel with duct tape - I hate to have lead scrapping off on the rock - bare leadweights suck)

As the float is rigid, it's somewhat uncomfortable to backpack on land, contrary to inflatable floats. Also, I'm somewhat worried of being hit by the float in heavy surf.
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Cressi's rigid float looks much the same as Rob Allen's, but has a hi-visibility fluorescent yellow hull. Good. But the factory seconds where the color will shade due to UV exposure also hints to why RA didn't go with fluorescent color.
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What I'd really want would be a seaworthy high-visibility rigid torpedo float that could carry some signaling kit ready for usage *and* carry cargo internally.

Ok, never mind the visibility... How about a smugglers torpedo? Where can I buy one? I could use two floats, one for visibility, and another one for cargo. And, btw, why do not any canoe dry barrels come streamlined? The ability to carry cargo by swim-towing, eg backpacking kit, would be very useful for swimming trips. Does anybody know of an 'over-sized' and streamlined dry-container? A bit like the one below (OMS, waterproof to 100m), but much bigger? **Any help would be most appreciated** :confused:

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I have used drybags for swim-towing stuff, much like the one shown below, but these really don't work well. The wind-load is awful, and the roll-closure seal typically leaks if waves repeatedly immerse it. (Note that the bag below by Ortlieb is merely rated for splashwaterproofness, IPx4)
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Dedicated immersion dry-packs for swimming, constructed like heavy-duty dry suits, like the one below by USIA, would solve the waterproofness issue, but not the windloading. http://www.usia.com/military/?p=60

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Great post MB1. Love the fog horn!:D. Military packs suit the webbing - interesting idea. I have one of the 11litre RA floats, although shorter than some floats they are still quite big (and heavy) and visible. I too have added tape, reflective in my case.

BTW it is quite normal to have to add ballast - usually lead - to inflatable spearing floats/buoys to keep the flag upright. I have a large wheel-balance lead (150g?) at one end of my torpedo float and some sheet leads wrapped around at the other. I saw a veteran competition spearo with a small dive weight strapped under his very large torpedo float.

Where do you attach the stringer (or second float) with the Cressi rigid float (no obvious rear tie-in point)? I guess you can connect everything to the front - which sounds awkward but RA's quick stringer needle thingy-me-jig lets the fish move up the float lines until they toggle a barb/flopper near the front of the float float.

Interesting to hear about the use of dry-bags as floats, as I am "quite taken by" the Plancetta Merou - an Italian float that is basically a flat planche'-style dry-bag float.
 
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Mr. X I glad you're still taken by italian classy stuff. To order merou gear, you have to contact the factory directly. That's not bad: their products are quality but not cheap, and skipping away any middleman will end up to be price friendly....
 
Thanks for the quick info Spago ,Hey Jon i think what you have is a Ship not a float...hehehehe... Can it hold a 16 lbs weight belt also plus yourself+food+water? If you can carry a girl in a bikini with the rest of the stuff then i definitely need 1 of those hehehehehe
Although said in jest, I wonder if you might be onto something with the bikini-clad assistant idea...I mean the large float idea. Perhaps something like a mini sit-on-top (SOT) kayak type shape/contruction - or maybe mini inflatible SOT shape. Perhaps not big enough for an assistant but maybe big enough to properly support a 90cm euro-gun & crab-bag?
 
Mr. X I glad you're still taken by italian classy stuff.
:DThat's a weakness that will happily be with me forever:). When I think of Italy, images of beautiful towns, weather, cars, motorbikes, women, clothes and spearguns flash across my mind - it's a very happy thought :).

BTW We've been given tins of various Amaretti biscuits/'cookies'/cakes as Christmas presents over the last few years, and have acquired quite a taste for them - such that we are now buying our own supply, just in case we don't received them as presents:D. We use the tins to store pasta - what a clever marketing idea, free advertising!
 
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