Tingling sensation in DNF

[dimitris33]

Thanks for the nice tips guys. I might have to work on the recovery breaths indeed to avoid bad things.

Kars you have correctly noticed some tension. Its because I am using a "blade" method during my breastrokes. This costs me some tension on the body but gives me huge glide. I have made some experiments and have noticed that after the breastroke it is better to keep hands straight like blades on the side and foots really extended like balerinas instead of having my hands, arms and legs totally relaxed (this slows me down significantly).

You can see that on the video especialy for the arms. Hands are kept like blades and after the stroke are comed on the side (rather than the classic relaxed looking up with curved fingers).

 

[dimitris33]

Budha, indeed I wasnt relaxed in the last meters cause I wouldnt expected that I would go for the 100. It was a no warm up attempt with no target. I wasnt relaxed enough on the breath up phase prior the attempt cause I was recording prior me Aris Ioannidis the National record holder in DNF breaking his own record!

I just decided to do an 75/turn attempt but when I turned the 75 and reached the 87.50 I said "what a f*** push it, wall is just one or two breastrokes away".

And I did.

 

[buddha]

Congratulations then! I have also noticed that during your relaxation before the dive you're like "hanging" from the pool with your arm... I can't relax to my max that way so I was thinking also trying to adopt a more "meditative" way: head, shoulders, arms, legs... everything relaxed but your mind very focused onto the task at hand.

 

[Kars]

Indeed Dimitris I also noticed your hydrodynamic posture and your fast gliding speed.
Perhaps you find relaxing your chest and shoulders giving you more relaxation, whilst not loosing much hydrodynamics.

I bet you also can do the 25m 1 stroke thing, just like I can. But I notice that for a max distance swimming that tense hydrodynamics isn't what brings me the longest dive. On the other hand, swimming to slow with very poor hydrodynamics doesn't either. So now I'm splitting the dive up in two phases, the slow and the fast(er) after the contraction phase.

Congratulations on your new pb! - perhaps sacrificing your beard would bring you some extra - BTW you're reporting is another prove to me that pbs are not to planned for.

I just watched the video again, and notice you indeed go a few seconds faster in the 3rd and 4th lane. Also when going faster the arms go quicker out of streamlining, reducing the glide. I find that for me now it works to have only a small glide after the legstroke and a longer glide after the arm stroke. When you're into reducing drag, you can try folding the feet upon each other after the legstroke. The closed legs are like having closed arms over head. With closed I mean there is very little "O" space between the hands and head and between the feet and crotch. Could also be the next trick in CNF and FIM glide phase ...

 

[Simos]

Congrats on the new PB Dimitri - excellent dive! One thing to try, relating to the 'blade' method you mention: when your arms come down by the side of your body, try rolling your shoulders 'inwards' so that all of your arm and hand is close to your body with no gap. Your hand is basically resting almost on the front of your thigh. It might give you an even better glide - I can't decide myself if it's better or not
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[dimitris33]

For Kars: I never tried to do a 25m with one stroke but I feel it will be possible for me. In respect of the closed legs, I tried sometimes to have them close but then I'm loosing my stability. I am like a ship in bad weather during the glide turning on time one side one on the other, depending the stroke. My loose legs posture works like stabilizers to keep body straight after the stroke. An shaving my beard is a NO NO thing for me! Its a 18 years old!

For Simos: Thanks for your commets Simos. I have tried many times bringing the shoulders in but it was very uncomfortable for me and created much tension on my chest area. Because of the fully inflated thorax after pack bending the shoulders is difficult. I sacrifice my relaxation only at the hands and feet bringing them as blades which gives me significant glide. Having the shoulders in or legs closed is might give me some more glide but surely will damage my apnea time as I already have tension keeping hands and feet like this.

For Budha: Hanging from the pool during the relaxation is not the best posture for sure. But for the training it is the best posture! Training under difficult conditions makes you feel like you are in heaven when you go in a competition! The pool is open and we are training there all winter so just imagine how difficult it is to make a no warm up max attempt.

Any other views opinions about the tingling?