25 meters DNF in 1 armstroke cycle

[hteas]

Trux,
I just went to the total immersion site, and it has changed substantially.
The book I have is
Swimming Made Easy: the Total Immersion Way. It covered all four strokes, and included a lot of insight into the underlying concepts they use to be really smooth in the water. The problem is it no longer seems to be in print.I have no idea what their new books and DVDs are worth. Sorry.
The techniques I play with are being very hydrodynamic in the water (head down, shoulders in, arms locked overhead, minimizing felt drag), and pulling yourself through the water instead of pushing the water back (start a stroke slow so you don't break the cohesion of the water molecules, increase power throughout the stroke, and focus on pulling yourself forward). Hope this helps
Howard

 

[Kars]

Eric van Rietpaap has done 50m in 2.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSKsF7eAXLg]YouTube - 50 meter DNF on 2 armstrokes + 2 legstrokes[/ame]

 

[Judge]

For one who is just starting to get the hang of DNF this thread is an inspiration. The videos are great.

Judge

 

[titan]

Kars wich suit are you using?

 

[Kars]

Kars which suit are you using?

I'm using the 2XU (brand - Two Times You) Velocity V:1 suit. 2XU :: Human Performance. Multiplied ::
Got it though:www.triathlonwinkel.nl

A very nice suit for my dynamic training and competitions in 26c-29c pools.
I also use for deep diving in cold waters (12c surface, 8c deeper; 4c at 50m) with underneath an old 3mm sleeveless upper piece to provide extra warmth on the chest and head.

- I use it a lot since November 2008, 1 - 3 times a week in chlorine and outside water. And would for sure want to have another the next time, the arm movement freedom is simply incredible, and it keeps my skinny me warm enough allowing to have an efficient and safe dynamic training.

Kars

ps, Last week I managed to do a little pb, over 1 length of 50m I crossed it in just 44 seconds and 8 strokes. I'm training speed in order to work on efficient swimming and CNF; where my goal is to do a new record over 50m this year. Yesterday I did a new pb of 46m CNF in 2'03" in North Germany. Still there is a lot of room for improvement, so I'm looking forward to my next depth training and competition.

 

[titan]

thx for the answer kars but I was asking about the guy in the video only now I saw that it was another person, I'm inteested in either elios freedown 3mm or smoothskin 1,5mm for dynamic and sea

if thermal protection is not the issue (and for someone how dives in 12ºc water I guess that we are in the same league ) but I wante performance in other words glide

Ying fa shark kin full body only cost 110 and swimmers say that is "la ostia" = very good

Best of luck for your PB's

 

[Kars]

Well going for an Elios for dynamic, you would like to have the most flexible material, and the most buoyant. Because more buoyancy means that you can carry more lead, means more glide, more distance. One thing to keep in mind though is overheating.
Another thing to keep in mind is arm manoeuvrability, this is where triathlon suits excel heaving super soft 1,5mm neoprene and a specially designed cut.

Eric van Rietpaap is on this forum, and has also a blog: Eric van Riet Paap - Just an intermediate step

And of cause testing stuff yourself is king!

Good luck finding the right suit for you!

Kars

 

[titan]

Kars the issue is that head is the tip of your body and it essential that it shoud warm due to heat loss from hair and is very unconfortable to have a cold head:crutchthat's why I'm aiming for a elios freedown all purpose suit but if you tell that there hood with good glide characterics I will buy a glaros or thri suit right away

 

[chrismar]

For those of you interested in speed suits:

FINA has recently banned 12 previously legal speedsuits, making them worthless to swimmers. They include alll the BlueSeventy suits (probably the fastest in the world; outselling Speedo in the US!), the top of the line Arena and TYR suits and any full body (arms included) suits like the Speedo FastSkin II FB. Basically, if you pay more than a third of the retail price on any of these, you're getting ripped off.

Bottom line: very good deals on all the best speedsuits in the world

 

[ericvrp]

@titan: in that video I am using a 1,5mm smoothskin jacket with a 1,5mm supersmoothskin bottom, both have what Elios calls superelastic nylon on the inside. The glide of that suit I found at least as good or maybe even better than of my Orca Apex2 suit. But still I would not want to go back to this Elios suit, I enjoy my Orca simply too much. With a perfect push off the glide of the Elios is amazing but there is little stopping your body from going sideways through the water. While better technique would solve that issue the real reason why I do not want to wear it anymore is because is was not tight enough so prior to my dives I had to stand upside-down in the water to let all air out. Not relaxing and not something I wanted to do before a no-warmup dive. (air trapped in the suit will move around changing your front/back balance + plus it is irritating as hell!) I do love my Elios suits for outdoor use!

P.S.

Most trisuit brands sell seperate neoprene hoods like this one: Orca Neoprene Swim Cap
Mine will arrive in a few days time so in a week time I should be able to tell you if they work better than wearing two silicone swimcaps.

 

[titan]

thx eric by the way the drawn of your daughter rox (8:01 that what I call pass the knowledge to future generations) I already saw a 3mm cap of speedo but to find speedo reatailers in my country is f*****

my goal is to have an fullbody glaros and a hood with glide and that isn't a bulky 5mm I'm also buying an yingfa sharkskin cause they are chea and good

I'm not gonna pay 500 E for a 1mm orca for that money I can make vacations so that's way I considered the glaros but if someone knows some online store with cheap and good my ears are open

 

[ericvrp]

Well actually the the Apex2 is 'just' €271 at Sigma Sport and the Elios was not all that much less.

 

[Kars]

Oh another advantages of triathlon suits are compression and the underarm propulsion surface.

Kars

 

[titan]

wooo Erik hank u very much

still it is not the deal I'm actually an oldschoold freediver alergic to pools but

I bet that orca is a way more confortable than sharkskin but what comes with confort goes with performance:waterwork

Since that I'm married with the litle money that I have I will stick to the elios and ying fa or blueseventy (the cheapest)

thx anyway for all the help

 

[ericvrp]

For performance reasons I would not go with a sharkskin suit. The trisuits are probably at least as slippery and because of the extra buoyancy (more weights) you will have more momentum to keep you gliding.

EDIT: but yes for CNF you can use less weights with the sharkskin, which is nice there.

 

[titan]

I don't know if that story of mometum is all true and beneficial I'm wondering if it just an added variable or it really paysback when it comes
to final results
unless someone has proven it in the pool

 

[titan]

another point that makes this point of view strong is that dynamic records holede by the molchanovs is done with arena wetsuits as final result wolrd record prove to be almost absolute

 

[ericvrp]

These things are a bit personal preferences, a bit science and a bit "let's do what the current record holder does" so you have to find out what you like yourself. Here you just get opinions!

At least in the pool all configurations have been used in recent top performances.

 

[B-J]

I used to do DNF with an Elios 3mm suit. What I found to be a problem was that once you pull your arms back you shift alot of bouyancy and therefor your legs float up. Have any of you noticed this problem with the tri-suits? I have an Orca rs1 and have no problems, but I see that the Apex2 have panels on the forearms. Is this a problem? Apart from the arms I don`t see anything negative with the buoyant suits. How about a trisuit with no arms? I found this one that was interesting:Triathlon Wetsuits - Blue Seventy Helix TST Sleeveless Triathlon Wetsuit - 2009 :: all3sports :: triathlon wetsuits & Goggles, wetsuits by Orca, Ironman wetsuits, Quintana Roo, Zoot, XTerra, De Soto

I saw in a picture from Vertical Blue that one guy was using a blue seventy suit. Does anyone have experience?

 

[chrismar]

I used to do DNF with an Elios 3mm suit. What I found to be a problem was that once you pull your arms back you shift alot of bouyancy and therefor your legs float up. Have any of you noticed this problem with the tri-suits? I have an Orca rs1 and have no problems, but I see that the Apex2 have panels on the forearms. Is this a problem? Apart from the arms I don`t see anything negative with the buoyant suits. How about a trisuit with no arms? I found this one that was interesting:Triathlon Wetsuits - Blue Seventy Helix TST Sleeveless Triathlon Wetsuit - 2009 :: all3sports :: triathlon wetsuits & Goggles, wetsuits by Orca, Ironman wetsuits, Quintana Roo, Zoot, XTerra, De Soto

I saw in a picture from Vertical Blue that one guy was using a blue seventy suit. Does anyone have experience?

Hey Bjarte,

I've encountered the same issue with thicker suits, but no problems in an Apex2 (2mm arms, but dense) or Alpha (1.5mm soft).

BlueSeventy (used to be Ironman wetsuits) are a good brand too, Kerian used the Helix for deep diving in the Bahamas and several of us use the speedsuits, which FINA banned pretty much because Speedo told them to. The Helix has 1.5mm arms and I suspect acts similarly to the Alpha. I would point you away from the sleeveless though, they can turn into drouges pretty easily.