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Al Gore wins Nobel Peace prize

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If Al Gore gave a sh...about anything but his own power and wealth he waould address what is really destroying this planet, a runaway human popualtion growth and the enviromential destruction that come with it.
If he cared about the envioment he would address China's dirty coal fired power plants that are producing more soot and co2 then any other country including the US. It is this soot that is going into the upper atmsphere and is causing it to rain in the Artic which is causing the ice to melt. The ice is increasing in the Antartic.
Gore is taking away for his own political and power gain the attention needed to address the real problems that our planet faces
 
No, the growth in population is due to extended lifespan, not high birthrates. Birthrates are declining worldwide, in Europe and Japan to the extent that both will be extinct by the end of this century. People who are really concerned about over-population should commit suicide immediately . . . or do some research into demographics!
 
If Al Gore gave a sh...about anything but his own power and wealth he waould address what is really destroying this planet, a runaway human popualtion growth and the enviromential destruction that come with it.

Hmm, runaway population:crutch More like a bunch of crippling situations. I don't see it as too many mouths to feed. Here we are sitting in front of computers made in those countries with too many mouths to feed.:naughty The governments are ALL twisted clubs of barbaric ding-a-lings. Most Religions are prostitutes for whatever the ding-a-lings want. Mankind in its current state is in need of a spanking:martial
So here's what we do:
Build a big spaceship and store only the finest genetic specimens in cryostasis. When the earth finally meatlockers the inferior in an iceage, the spaceship can reenter the atmosphere. On its way in it will superheat and reset the temperature while breaking apart and spilling its seed upon the globe. Call it the STARSHIP CONDOM. Then all those who feel the entire setup of this globe was just an accident will be right.
O I offer this possibility: If Earth was created, someone is really torqued right now and with just cause. Even if you believe that human conciousness is top of the universal food chain, hopefully you understand that humility and will must be balanced. What would be lost if EVERYONE stopped the struggle for survival[war] and did some living:friday:chatup:waverofl:) with their fellows? Dammit, we might have to share our toys! With a proper attitude this world could fit 20 billion happy, advanced, and gracious folk. That doesn't include those of us who yearn to develop gills, because with a more efficient society we could spend most of our time in the water, thus leaving space for the land dwellers. I can live on seaweed and sushi any way.
 
No, the growth in population is due to extended lifespan, not high birthrates. Birthrates are declining worldwide, in Europe and Japan to the extent that both will be extinct by the end of this century. People who are really concerned about over-population should commit suicide immediately . . . or do some research into demographics!

Remember to spay and neuter your kids.
 
I must say the topic of global warming is interesting especially with AL Gore in the middle. I did read the at the present time Mr Gore is worth about $90 million, most of which he accumulated during his present crusade. I guess some people will do or say anything for a buck. Also, there were great fears about more and more really bad hurricanes, yet the predictions over the last two years fell way short. Don't get me wrong , I'm for a clean environment and we all should be great stewards with what we've been given.
 
There are religions out there that believe GOD will just be scorching this marble anyway, so i guess it just doesn't matter how much Mr Gore has in his pocketses precious. There be millionare preachers with a cash based agenda, pittr pattr of greasy feet scurrying around the pulpit. Rodents preaching the masses to spill some blood for whatever suits the country or cause in an oil burning battle wagon.

I nominate whoever adapted the following items for human use to recieve the nobel : fin mask speargun wine chocolate smoker. There, that is at least 6 people we could award likely anonomous and postmortem. I like my idea cause then they can be honorably and vaugely mentioned, and we can save 1.5 mil a pop for numerous exotic underwater excursions. Or collectively blow it on a gear shopping spree.

In all seriousness, thank you Mr. Gore for representing something even if it was for your own benefit. You maybe are not 100% there, but neither has any other vain explorer been at the start.
 
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Can I explain why I started this thread? Well I'm going to anyway :)

I may be naive in believing that giving a high profile prize to Mr Gore and the IPCC was a great thing. To be honest I don't know the first thing about Mr Gore apart from he might have been vice president and he stood for the presidency once, I haven't seen his film nor am I likely too. What I do know about him is that I have heard of him and he is a high profile figure and he for all his faults is supporting a very relevant cause in today's society. Like it or not we the human race is damaging the earth and for those who have difficulty seeing the relevance of this subject in a diving forum, the oceans too. We are pumping out way too much waste gasses, we are chopping down way too much rain forest to make way for farting cattle.

How much all this is affecting the world we live in today I don't know. How much it will affect the world we live in tomorrow no one knows but that's the point! Where do we draw the line? Do we say screw it it's all bullsh.. and hope nothing will happen. Do we wait until Kathmandu becomes Asia's prime seaside resort? The thing is that the IPCC is saying let's do something now! The Nobel Prize committee has given that it's backing and I for one think that's a pretty good thing.

The late Princess Diana took a stance on land mines, I personally don't believe she got herself a shovel and started to dig them up, that is for the rest of the world to do but she did make it high profile!
 
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Times like these, when we start talking about uu words and quantum mechanics, I like to refer back to the wise words of a 900 year bloke who has seen it all....

And here I was thinking you were talking about Yoda....

But in the meantime, i'm sure the little green fella could give us some words of wisdom

"Try not. Do or do not, there is no try."

"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will."

"Always in motion is the future."

"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering."

"Size matters not." (Threw that in for Pastor)

What has this to do with Al Gore and global warming? I don't know. Lighten up people.
 
Yoda is a narcissistic idiot - and a big homo. (Disclaimer: I was raised in the theatre - I have absolutely no problem with gays - unless they are Yoda)

It's worth noting that our politicians have been quite successful in exploiting the passive tendancy in human beings to shoot the messenger. Whenever they don't want us to think about something they orchestrate a personal attack against whoever is talking about it. Recently, in this country, they've done it to a 12 year old boy with a closed head injury - who's parents were naive enough to let him testify in front of congress. You may remember awhile back when they did the same to a man who wanted to let his wife - who was brain dead - die after 14 years or so. Al Gore is a bigger target than any of these so its very easy to spin out all sorts of nasty conclusions - despite never having met the man and really knowing absolutely nothing about him - other than what people who want you to think one way or another have told you. The ability of those ostensibly in power to mold our thinking depends completely on our passivity, and on how much easier it is to just absorb and react and be negative compaired to engaging in active, positive thought. They intentionally exploit negative, instinctive reactions. Appealing allways to what is most base in us. The organizing principal for nearly all politics in this country is fear

The magic is that what you say does not have to be true at all - you can use facts to establish any position - or even make them up. All that matters is enough people saying the same thing often enough. Repeat anything often enough and people start believing it.

Nobody on this board knows Al Gore personally. Everyone is entitled to their opinion - but is it really theirs? Or is it just what somebody else wants you to think. Negative emotions like anger, righteous indignation etc. give you a nice, strong- feeling endocrine surge but - as is said in the internal martial arts - 'the feeling of strength is weakness' and, as I've said elsewhere - considering anything from a single point of view is insanity.
 
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Good wisdom Chris. Pastor, it's a tie between this and Spaghetti's post.

The one thing that stood out for me in Gore's movie was the chart showing the relationship between CO2 and temperature rise cycles in the past. The production of CO2 and it's accumulation in the atmosphere is now way off the charts in respect to past levels. What does this mean for the subsuquent rise in global temperature? It seems to me it will also go off the charts. This for me is the point - are these figures correct, and if so, what ar we going to do about it?

I don't have any problem with the extinction of the human species, nature always balances out in the end and in a few million years we'll be aquatic apes once more, fishing in pristine waters. However, I will hope to recognise a few of you again! :)
 
What most people ar missing is that Al Gore shared the prize with thousands of other scientists- who actually did the work. His part of the prize came from publicising- not the actual research.

I think that because of this the Jacque Coustoue analogy is a very good one. We all know that he was a deeply flawed man as his extra-marital affairs are the stuff of legend that even Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton can't compete with.rofl For all the enviromental cursades he was the face for, he never did much in the way of research- he was a film maker. While making his films he often destroyed the very things he was trying to save- there's a pretty good story about him landing his mini-sub on the deck of the most beautiful shipwreck he'd ever seen (The Gunlida) and crunched the wreck in the process- you can still see the imprint today. Still, he inspired many, including me, to get into diving and try and do something to clean up our local waterways.

To bring this whole thing back to diving, and diving in my area, I saw this in today's paper:

MADISON, Wis. -- Al Gore's crusade against global warming won him the Nobel Peace Prize, which he shares with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on climate change.

A lot of the research done on the University of Wisconsin-Madison campus is part of that prestigious group, WISC-TV reported.

"This is definitely the wake-up call, and what's concerning to the climatologists is the rate of warming that we've had," said Jonathan Patz, an associate professor at UW-Madison's Gaylord Nelson Institute for Environmental Study.

Patz's research looks at the health effects of climate change.

"When we talk about a warmer world people say, 'Well, so what?' And so the 'so what' is what does it mean for agriculture, for water on our own health? I work on these issues," Patz said.

Patz has copies of reports from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on climate change. Since 1990, he said that each one has come up with a stronger statement about global warming.

"The latest 2007 report comes out with a statement from the leading climatologists around the world that with 90 percent certainty the warming that we're seeing today is from burning fossil fuels from human activity," Patz said. "I think the argument is over. And now it's time to say, 'What do we do about it?'"

World-renowned UW-Madison limnologist John Magnuson has been asking the same question for years.

"We're losing winters. The spring thaw occurs earlier, and the fall freeze occurs later," Magnuson said.

Magnuson led a team of scientists that studies the freeze and thaw dates on lakes around the world. On Lake Mendota in Madison, the study found there are 40 fewer days the lake freezes today than 150 years ago.

"That little fact that we have about Mendota and the fact that we have a global thermometer sitting right here in the middle of Madison -- Monona's one too and so is Lake Wingra -- is one miniscule set of ideas and facts that are in the global climate change summaries that have been pulled together by the IPCC," Magnuson said.

Both experts said that global warming is one of the biggest challenges of our day and the awarding of the Nobel prize to this cause is validation of that.

The cause is also drawing some of the best in the field to UW-Madison, and being in Madison is cited as part of the reason. Mayor Dave Cieslewicz was the fifth mayor out of 600 in the country to sign the U.S. Mayors Climate Protection Initiative, WISC-TV reported.


Since my main dive buddy (unirdna) is a scientist at this instituition I've had a chance to hear about this for the past few years. Lake Mendota is said to be the most studied freshwater lake in the world- with Lake Bikal, in Russia, coming in second. The numbers on this lake, when it comes to freeze and thaw dates, have been well documented for over 150 years. This lake is 4 miles from my house and my favorite to spear in when the water is clear.

BTW: Al Gore made his money by investing in Google. He got in back in the beginning and it's now selling for $600 a share. I guess he knew something about the internet after all?

Gotta go diving now!

Jon
 
Jacque Cousteau also blew up bits of coral in order to allow the boat intoa lagoon but he really did bring issues to the forefront at the time. he was also a pioneer. I just recently watched some of the old shows they are really great esepcially when you consider how old they are now.
Fondueset is right about our opinions, they are based on what we take from the media and like I said earlier who knows what to believe in the Media.
Benny one thing that bugged me about Yoda, 900 years and he still couldn't speak english properly?
 
Irregardless of Al Gore's giant carbon footprint, his constant need to be in the public spotlight or whether the global warming/CO2 relationship is correlated or causitive, if the current hysteria about climate change gets a push going to reduce both pollution and reliance on imported fuel then let there be hysteria. Panic on, folks, if it means a reduction in the amount of crap vomited into the air of the Los Angeles Basin. Run around in circles screaming if the billions of dollars we send to unfriendly countries is reduced or (please, God) eliminated. Hold your breath and turn purple in temper tantrums if somehow it gets better sewage disposal and leads to cleaner oceans. I am not a baby owl and I don't appreciate living ankle deep in s**t the way they do. Clean house, everyone, whatever your reasons, clean house!
 
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say Yoda "if dis me you shall, then leave you to Al and Cousteu shall i"

Poor Yoda did all that screenplay and all he got was a flooded bog planet that smelled like our farting beef.
 
Oldsarge you are correct that anything that will get people out of their gas guzzling trucks and suvs and into economy cars would be great. The prolbem with Gore's movie and other political self serving propganda movies and movements is that most people are so jaded that they just dont give a damn anymore. There is so much bad propaganda that is called science that no one cares anymore.
Gore is doing tremendous damage to the scientific community and their credibility that no one will believe the truth or act upon a real crisis when it comes up.
 
What most people ar missing is that Al Gore shared the prize with thousands of other scientists- who actually did the work. His part of the prize came from publicising- not the actual research.

I've stayed out of this up to now, but I was wondering when someone would make that point. Thousands of scientists did the research and came to a consensus, and that's why they got the prize. It was clearly stated that Gore's prize was for bringing the problem to the attention of the public, and he clearly did that, no matter what you think of his personal carbon footprint.

I've been frankly puzzled by all the hatred of Gore being expressed by so many people. This OpEd helps me understand it.

ctober 15, 2007
Op-Ed Columnist
Gore Derangement Syndrome

By PAUL KRUGMAN
On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

And at National Review Online, Iain Murray suggested that the prize should have been shared with “that well-known peace campaigner Osama bin Laden, who implicitly endorsed Gore’s stance.” You see, bin Laden once said something about climate change — therefore, anyone who talks about climate change is a friend of the terrorists.

What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

Partly it’s a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White House. Both the personality cult the right tried to build around President Bush and the often hysterical denigration of Mr. Gore were, I believe, largely motivated by the desire to expunge the stain of illegitimacy from the Bush administration.

And now that Mr. Bush has proved himself utterly the wrong man for the job — to be, in fact, the best president Al Qaeda’s recruiters could have hoped for — the symptoms of Gore derangement syndrome have grown even more extreme.

The worst thing about Mr. Gore, from the conservative point of view, is that he keeps being right. In 1992, George H. W. Bush mocked him as the “ozone man,” but three years later the scientists who discovered the threat to the ozone layer won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In 2002 he warned that if we invaded Iraq, “the resulting chaos could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam.” And so it has proved.

But Gore hatred is more than personal. When National Review decided to name its anti-environmental blog Planet Gore, it was trying to discredit the message as well as the messenger. For the truth Mr. Gore has been telling about how human activities are changing the climate isn’t just inconvenient. For conservatives, it’s deeply threatening.

Consider the policy implications of taking climate change seriously.

“We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals,” said F.D.R. “We know now that it is bad economics.” These words apply perfectly to climate change. It’s in the interest of most people (and especially their descendants) that somebody do something to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, but each individual would like that somebody to be somebody else. Leave it up to the free market, and in a few generations Florida will be underwater.

The solution to such conflicts between self-interest and the common good is to provide individuals with an incentive to do the right thing. In this case, people have to be given a reason to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, either by requiring that they pay a tax on emissions or by requiring that they buy emission permits, which has pretty much the same effects as an emissions tax. We know that such policies work: the U.S. “cap and trade” system of emission permits on sulfur dioxide has been highly successful at reducing acid rain.

Climate change is, however, harder to deal with than acid rain, because the causes are global. The sulfuric acid in America’s lakes mainly comes from coal burned in U.S. power plants, but the carbon dioxide in America’s air comes from coal and oil burned around the planet — and a ton of coal burned in China has the same effect on the future climate as a ton of coal burned here. So dealing with climate change not only requires new taxes or their equivalent; it also requires international negotiations in which the United States will have to give as well as get.

Everything I’ve just said should be uncontroversial — but imagine the reception a Republican candidate for president would receive if he acknowledged these truths at the next debate. Today, being a good Republican means believing that taxes should always be cut, never raised. It also means believing that we should bomb and bully foreigners, not negotiate with them.

So if science says that we have a big problem that can’t be solved with tax cuts or bombs — well, the science must be rejected, and the scientists must be slimed. For example, Investor’s Business Daily recently declared that the prominence of James Hansen, the NASA researcher who first made climate change a national issue two decades ago, is actually due to the nefarious schemes of — who else? — George Soros.

Which brings us to the biggest reason the right hates Mr. Gore: in his case the smear campaign has failed. He’s taken everything they could throw at him, and emerged more respected, and more credible, than ever. And it drives them crazy.
 
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