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Freediving and personality types
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NO.
If they wanted to be understood they could be, they don't want to be so they can make our life harder in order they can try and turn us into a 'perfect man'.
The idea is flawed as there is no perfect men
So endeth the biggest lesson in life.
Originally Posted by Dannyk
How rich would a guy get if he could create a computer program that would help us understand the opposite sex?
I will actually be releasing a book, its called Steves' views on life and other meaningless things. Wish me luck rofl
ESTJ
You are:
Career: Accountant
Stupid f*ckin mental tests don't know a f*^ken thing about any f&#ken thing, just because i'm on 2 freediving association committees and i'm an accountant doesn't been diddly f*$ken squat!! Grumble grumble
Are there any other ESTJ's out there (exluding my brethren George Washington and Judge Judy of course)?
So does this mean i'll be an accountant forever? I feel soooo happy now just before bedtime...
You are:
- slightly expressed extravert
- moderately expressed sensing personality
- moderately expressed thinking personality
- moderately expressed judging personality
Career: Accountant
Stupid f*ckin mental tests don't know a f*^ken thing about any f&#ken thing, just because i'm on 2 freediving association committees and i'm an accountant doesn't been diddly f*$ken squat!! Grumble grumble
Are there any other ESTJ's out there (exluding my brethren George Washington and Judge Judy of course)?
So does this mean i'll be an accountant forever? I feel soooo happy now just before bedtime...
An accountant forever, sh*t Benny my boy I reckon something high off the ground and no parachute is calling.roflroflrofl
INFJ for me
What I found interesting is that on the careers page it lists my current career (Web Design, albeit not at the top of the list) along with other fields, pretty much ALL of which I find interesting, and at some point or another considered as a career path. Not listed is the initial career I -thought- was my match but eventually abandoned, even after I had gotten my degree on it.
With that in mind, I would say that it is at least somewhat accurate
What I found interesting is that on the careers page it lists my current career (Web Design, albeit not at the top of the list) along with other fields, pretty much ALL of which I find interesting, and at some point or another considered as a career path. Not listed is the initial career I -thought- was my match but eventually abandoned, even after I had gotten my degree on it.
With that in mind, I would say that it is at least somewhat accurate
Apparently I'm an INTP, which seems to be surprisingly right. However, I have to express my slight scepticism here (as my personality type indicates, hehe).
This is something known as the Forer (or Barnum) effect, which is "the observation that individuals will give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically for them, but are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people. This effect can provide a partial explanation for the widespread acceptance of some beliefs and practices, such as astrology, graphology, fortune telling, and some types of personality tests". (Wikipedia)
Here is an interesting video concerning this effect:
In the video, the participants thought they were given a personality description specifically tailored for them, and most of them rated it 80-99% correct and thought it contained very personal details. In reality, they were all given exactly the same description.
Here and here is some criticism specifically on Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. The main points are that the system is based on Carl Jung's personal opinions about people, not on any controlled studies, and that "when retested, even after intervals as short as five weeks, as many as 50 percent of people will be classified into a different type." "These profiles can lead to discrimination and poor career counseling. Employers may hire, fire, or assign personnel by personality type, despite the fact that the MBTI® is not even reliable at identifying one’s type."
While this kind of personality tests are far more accurate than horoscopes and such things, (because in these tests you actually do some input, which is then used to determinate your type), they still partially rely on the same fallacies in human perception and should not be given too much importance in any major decisions.
This is something known as the Forer (or Barnum) effect, which is "the observation that individuals will give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically for them, but are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people. This effect can provide a partial explanation for the widespread acceptance of some beliefs and practices, such as astrology, graphology, fortune telling, and some types of personality tests". (Wikipedia)
Here is an interesting video concerning this effect:
In the video, the participants thought they were given a personality description specifically tailored for them, and most of them rated it 80-99% correct and thought it contained very personal details. In reality, they were all given exactly the same description.
Here and here is some criticism specifically on Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. The main points are that the system is based on Carl Jung's personal opinions about people, not on any controlled studies, and that "when retested, even after intervals as short as five weeks, as many as 50 percent of people will be classified into a different type." "These profiles can lead to discrimination and poor career counseling. Employers may hire, fire, or assign personnel by personality type, despite the fact that the MBTI® is not even reliable at identifying one’s type."
While this kind of personality tests are far more accurate than horoscopes and such things, (because in these tests you actually do some input, which is then used to determinate your type), they still partially rely on the same fallacies in human perception and should not be given too much importance in any major decisions.
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Interesting thread. Bearing in mind all the caveats about the MBTI, I've found it to be the personality system that best fits my observations about which personalities gravitate towards which jobs and which hobbies.
I'm an applied scientist, and for what it's worth, I usually come out as an explorer, ENTP when I do these tests; once I came out as an ESTP (promoter), but the profile description wasn't as convincing. Lots of us in science find ourselves in the right-hand column of the MBTI chart, and as another contributor said, I was amazed at how well the profile of an ENTP given in the book fitted me.
I think the problem with freediving in this respect may be that people come at it from too many different angles. As an ENTP, I came to it by wanting to explore shallow coral reefs safely -- I'm generally risk-averse, but feel compelled to see new places every year. Others may be intensely competitive, and be driven by the idea of diving deeper than someone else. I've met a lot of meditative types who enjoy the mystical side, yoga, self-exploration, and a lot of the traits I'd associate with the third column of the MBTI chart. It would be interesting to see how freediving instructors map onto the chart - I suspect they're as much driven by the teaching (third column) as by the practice.
The only way to test this objectively would be to gather many more data points, and not (as someone pointed out) self-selected samples. Then one would need to test the frequency of MBTI types of freedivers in the samples with that in the population as a whole, and see of there was a significant difference. (The book by Kiersey & Bates gives the expected frequency -- it's massively skewed towards the first two columns, and biased towards extraverts.) The best test to use would probably be the Chi-squared.
Realistically, I expect you'd need a sample of at least 100 freedivers, selected at random, to take the test before you would start to see statistically significant trends. Sounds like an interesting research project! Any takers for their MSc project, or part of a PhD?
I'm an applied scientist, and for what it's worth, I usually come out as an explorer, ENTP when I do these tests; once I came out as an ESTP (promoter), but the profile description wasn't as convincing. Lots of us in science find ourselves in the right-hand column of the MBTI chart, and as another contributor said, I was amazed at how well the profile of an ENTP given in the book fitted me.
I think the problem with freediving in this respect may be that people come at it from too many different angles. As an ENTP, I came to it by wanting to explore shallow coral reefs safely -- I'm generally risk-averse, but feel compelled to see new places every year. Others may be intensely competitive, and be driven by the idea of diving deeper than someone else. I've met a lot of meditative types who enjoy the mystical side, yoga, self-exploration, and a lot of the traits I'd associate with the third column of the MBTI chart. It would be interesting to see how freediving instructors map onto the chart - I suspect they're as much driven by the teaching (third column) as by the practice.
The only way to test this objectively would be to gather many more data points, and not (as someone pointed out) self-selected samples. Then one would need to test the frequency of MBTI types of freedivers in the samples with that in the population as a whole, and see of there was a significant difference. (The book by Kiersey & Bates gives the expected frequency -- it's massively skewed towards the first two columns, and biased towards extraverts.) The best test to use would probably be the Chi-squared.
Realistically, I expect you'd need a sample of at least 100 freedivers, selected at random, to take the test before you would start to see statistically significant trends. Sounds like an interesting research project! Any takers for their MSc project, or part of a PhD?
I Haven't read through the full thread, just the second page out of two, but I will later on.
What I find with these personality divisions that to me it looks like one could make as many or little divisions as one wants, and while some feel the fit pretty good in one box, others feel more like in between two or several.
Without seeing the test I think I have a general wide range of trades, and the result indeed may be a coin on it's side, able to change 'quick'.
As for famous people, I could replace the term with notorious for many figures. I don't like to be compared with Napoleon, Einstein, Darwin, Teller and a whole bunch of others.
I like freediving also because it brings a wide range of people together, individuals with a love and courage for venturing into the unknown.
These people by confronting an facing their limits generally have or get a more rounded deeper character. Usually a change for the better, though their base will remain somewhat visible off cause.
Love, Courage and Water,
Kars
What I find with these personality divisions that to me it looks like one could make as many or little divisions as one wants, and while some feel the fit pretty good in one box, others feel more like in between two or several.
Without seeing the test I think I have a general wide range of trades, and the result indeed may be a coin on it's side, able to change 'quick'.
As for famous people, I could replace the term with notorious for many figures. I don't like to be compared with Napoleon, Einstein, Darwin, Teller and a whole bunch of others.
I like freediving also because it brings a wide range of people together, individuals with a love and courage for venturing into the unknown.
These people by confronting an facing their limits generally have or get a more rounded deeper character. Usually a change for the better, though their base will remain somewhat visible off cause.
Love, Courage and Water,
Kars
I always wondered how they know what personality type these people from long ago have. Who tested Napoleon and George Washington?
According to the Myers-Briggs website, testing began in the 1940's.
My MBTI Personality Type - MBTI Basics
Kars, how are Darwin and Einstein notorious? I wouldn't mind being some kind of Dar-Stein! (hey, sounds like a new Star Wars villain!
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