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Freediving and personality types

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ENFJ for me

which is pretty accurate as well. i take hreat pleasure in guiding others through training to nee PB's and break throughs, mind you its not entirly accurate as i do like the solitude of freediving this is what i truely enjoy is the internal search during a dive.

DD
 
wanker! :)

fair enough that does sound a bit soppy.

particularly given my current mood. working too much and not being able to train while the people i'm training with normally are now kicking my arse!!!!!!!!!

stupid work, grumble grumble, responsibility bah humbug stupid christmas busy season.......
DD
 
There are many personality schemes, but the ones most discussed (and accepted?) are the extravert/introvert axis, the original 16-factor personality type, and the independently 'measured' authoritarianism, that came out the dismantling of the Nazi German regime, and the Nuremberg Trials (Adorno, I think). In the 1970s it was found that the 16 factors 'clustered' into four (MBTI) or 5 (Eysenck and 'big five) factors. But they're very similar, and Eysenck's fifth, openness, correlates quite well with g IQ ... which is why I (a biologist, not a psychologist, I hasten to add) am happy with MBTI, plus g IQ on a fifth perpendicular axis.

How do you 'test' historical people? Well obviously it's much less certain, but those who claim that they can do it use secondary traits, such as evidence for exploratory behaviours, generosity/meanness, wide circles of friends or reclusiveness, obsession with hierarchy or otherwise. Adorno listed a whole catalogue of authoritarian traits that allowed Norman Dixon to assess the personalities of successful British generals such as Wellington (highly non-authoritarian) and less successful ones (e.g. Elphinstone, Buller, Percival) long after they had died. Although these cases can never be 'proven', the evidence fits the history much better than if the method relied on random chance.

People seem to be moderately constant through their lives -- I've taken MBTI several times over the last 20 years, and I've only 'drifted' a bit in one axis where I've always been borderline (sanity/madness?!). And on several occasions I've predicted someone's type from the descriptions, and been correct once they've taken the test. But it's known that people can drift over the years, as life experiences change their behaviours.

There's a huge literature on this, much of which can be accessed for free through Google Scholar. I think a few hours of research on this should answer most of the 'FAQs' that have been posted in this thread.

I beg to differ with Kars on one point though: you can't label Einstein and Darwin as 'notorious' -- they discovered facts, and facts are morally neutral. It's what people do with those facts that can be judged ... and so back to Nuremburg.
 
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Might I , ( with tongue in cheek ) , suggest the most telling trait of freedivers , is that they are willing to devote five pages on what kind personality they have . No offence intended . :)

Hey Paul , howdy neighbour .
 
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There are many personality schemes, but the ones most discussed (and accepted?) are the extravert/introvert axis, the original 16-factor personality type, and the independently 'measured' authoritarianism, that came out the dismantling of the Nazi German regime, and the Nuremberg Trials (Adorno, I think). In the 1970s it was found that the 16 factors 'clustered' into four (MBTI) or 5 (Eysenck and 'big five) factors. But they're very similar, and Eysenck's fifth, openness, correlates quite well with g IQ ... which is why I (a biologist, not a psychologist, I hasten to add) am happy with MBTI, plus g IQ on a fifth perpendicular axis.

How do you 'test' historical people? Well obviously it's much less certain, but those who claim that they can do it use secondary traits, such as evidence for exploratory behaviours, generosity/meanness, wide circles of friends or reclusiveness, obsession with hierarchy or otherwise. Adorno listed a whole catalogue of authoritarian traits that allowed Norman Dixon to assess the personalities of successful British generals such as Wellington (highly non-authoritarian) and less successful ones (e.g. Elphinstone, Buller, Percival) long after they had died. Although these cases can never be 'proven', the evidence fits the history much better than if the method relied on random chance.

People seem to be moderately constant through their lives -- I've taken MBTI several times over the last 20 years, and I've only 'drifted' a bit in one axis where I've always been borderline (sanity/madness?!). And on several occasions I've predicted someone's type from the descriptions, and been correct once they've taken the test. But it's known that people can drift over the years, as life experiences change their behaviours.

There's a huge literature on this, much of which can be accessed for free through Google Scholar. I think a few hours of research on this should answer most of the 'FAQs' that have been posted in this thread.

I beg to differ with Kars on one point though: you can't label Einstein and Darwin as 'notorious' -- they discovered facts, and facts are morally neutral. It's what people do with those facts that can be judged ... and so back to Nuremburg.

I have no idea what half of that post is about but by god I’m going to give you some rep for it after all anything that’s got “a fifth perpendicular axis” has got to be good!
Bring on the phase cannons and quantum torpedo’s, that’s what I say.:):)
Great thread by the way, very interesting read.:)
 
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Don't forget most people subconsciously adjust their behaviours after they read 'their' personality profile.

On the Darwin and Einstein being notorious in my still limited view.
Consider that in certain circumstances Some people are revered as stars and heroes.
One example Adolf Allouis Hitler, being Time-Life man of the year.
Another, of how quick things can get different... George Bush, A HERO after 2001 9-11, now the incompetent clown in the eyes of many.

I happen to disagree with image portrait by most media these days putting these and others up as "heroes". Darwin was not the big discoverer hold up to be. In fact 'his' idea's are very very old, supplemented by Engel's work who set out to Indonesia to collect evidence that Darwin happily used in 'his' work: On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or, The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life..
On Einstein, I think he too is a made star. Apparently most of his speeches were about politics, and he did not speak science without papers. The science itself was again 'borrowed' partly from an Italian, who nobody knows.

So I rather be cautious with comparing myself to historical figures, you never know how 'history' - the current political climate - changes and all of a sudden you become a bad person because of it.

On the other side some people love to think of having a spiritual connection to figures such as Cleopatra and Napoleon, and it's telling they rarely know of their 'guide's' dark sides. But I'm drifting off topic here!

Have to work, strutting through snow falling, cold, and wonder where the global warming is we're all paying so much for. :D

Maybe I'm just recalcitrant... LOL :)
 
Yeah Kars is right, Even Hitler had some good ideas, he may have been inbetween one or two of the axis. I think just labelling someone notorious without letting them take the test is a bit harsh. I think he was still active in the early part of the 1940's so he may have taken the test himself.
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Yeah Kars is right, Even Hitler had some good ideas, he may have been inbetween one or two of the axis. I think just labelling someone notorious without letting them take the test is a bit harsh. I think he was still active in the early part of the 1940's so he may have taken the test himself.
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Apneaboy, I don't really get your reasoning.

It's not that I label someone 'notorious' because of their 'personality type'.
I simply try to point out that people who are today perceived as good and heroes may very well become the villains of tomorrow and visa versa.

If I were asked to make a personality type distinction I would say I like to handle the very simple gradient model of the emphatic - verses psychopathic people. Where I would like to argue that the emphatic people are normal and the 4-6% psychopathic people are the deviant - damaged - group. There are also 10-12% of those 'in between' people.
For determination I recommend Hare's Psychopathy Check List (PCL - also used in prisons) Hare Psychopathy Checklist - define, person, people, used, personality, score, traits, Definition, Purpose, Precautions, Description, Results
This is quick insightful start for those who don't know what the trades of a psychopath are, outside of the main ones "having a total lack of empathy and no conscience".
 
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About time we had one of those, me too. INTP, the absent minded professor, that's me. I took the test and had 5 or 6 questions that had no good answer. I took it again answering those the opposite way and came out the same. Seems to fit fairly well, except I'm a bit more practical and more of a risk taker than the description suggested.

Azapa, I think its got you pegged.

Connor
 
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Apparently I'm an INTP, which seems to be



This is something known as the Forer (or Barnum) effect, which is "the observation that individuals will give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically for them, but are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people. This effect can provide a partial explanation for the widespread acceptance of some beliefs and practices, such as astrology, graphology, fortune telling, and some types of personality tests". (Wikipedia)

Which reminds me...My last elios suit doesn't really fit that well...I smell conspiracy! Well, I smell something...

(of course the possibility of my body changing shape is totally out of question)
 
Which reminds me...My last elios suit doesn't really fit that well...I smell conspiracy! Well, I smell something...

(of course the possibility of my body changing shape is totally out of question)

rofl

This is something known as the Elios (or Marea) effect, which is "the observation that freedivers will give high fit ratings to wetsuits that supposedly are tailored specifically for them, but are in fact elastic and general enough to apply to a wide range of people. This effect can provide a partial explanation for the widespread popularity of some wetsuit brands, such as Elios and Marea". (Wikipedia) ;)
 
OK, the analysis so far ...

Warnings up front:

1. We've had 32 unique replies so far, so not a large sample.

2. The people who have posted replies stating their MBTI types are obviously self-selecting, i.e. those that are interested in wasting several minutes (hours!) of their life discussing something of no practical importance at all. (Count me in!)

So ... I've compared the proportions of responses for freedivers - the 'observed' - with the stated proportions in the population as a whole - the 'expected' (from Kiersey & Bates, 1978) - and highlighted those cases in which I think there is a notable discrepancy between the observed and the expected. (If there were two or more fewer then expected between the observed and the expected, that counted as 'low'; if the observed was double the expected or more, that counted as 'high'.)

Where someone has said they're borderline, I've scored them 0.5 in each.

Type Observed Expected
ISTJ: -- 0.0 -- 1.9 -- Similar
ISTP: -- 3.0 -- 1.6 -- Similar
ESTP: -- 1.5 -- 4.2 -- Low
ESTJ: -- 1.0 -- 4.2 -- Low
ISFJ: -- 0.5 -- 1.9 -- Similar
ISFP: -- 1.0 -- 1.6 -- Similar
ESFP: -- 0.0 -- 4.8 -- Low
ESFJ: -- 0.0 -- 4.2 -- Low
INFJ: -- 2.5 -- 0.3 -- High
INFP: -- 1.0 -- 0.3 -- High
ENFP: -- 1.0 -- 1.6 -- Similar
ENFJ: -- 4.0 -- 1.6 -- High
INTJ: -- 7.5 -- 0.3 -- High
INTP: -- 3.0 -- 0.3 -- High
ENTP: -- 2.5 -- 1.6 -- Similar
ENTJ: -- 3.5 -- 1.6 -- High

I haven't done the Chi-Squared yet, because I don't want to have to re-do it when I get more responses, but ... it sure looks as if it's going to produce a statistically significant result. Not that this really proves anything, because the freedivers who are interested in such arcane topics will have posted, whereas the ESFPs and ESFJs will have been scratching their heads wondering what all the fuss was about.

General thoughts: There seem to be a lot more introvert freedivers than expected in the population as a whole - which doesn't surprise me at all. (Extraverts do SCUBA, and are always telling everyone that they go diving ...) Lots of teachers (third column) and almost no carers (second column ... they're too busy partying or watching soaps!). Lots of scientists and nerds (fourth column) - now there's a surprise! One result I didn't expect though was that there were the same number of ENTPs (explorers, my own type) as one would expect in the general population.

But there's definitely an MSc at least in this!

Keep the MBTI types flowing,

Paul.
 
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My daughter has been studying the Myers Briggs personality types of late, and got me thinking. I am curious if there is a dominant personality type among freedivers and spearfishers.

Here is a free online test

Personality test based on Jung - Myers-Briggs typology

Descriptions of the sixteen personality types

My personality is ISTP, what is yours?

Dan



Paul thanks for the interesting analysis!

I quoted the original links above for those just coming to this thread.

Dan
 
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