samdive said:
now ya talkin'!
a list of potential F-divers to soap up before a dive.. now here i go with my usual boring hot-list:
1. Ali (no that's not Alison!)
2. F....?
3. David Lee
4. Sam what's is name isn't bad either
5.
Your input...
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Freediving vs Auto-Asphyxiation
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now ya talkin'!
a list of potential F-divers to soap up before a dive.. now here i go with my usual boring hot-list:
1. Ali (no that's not Alison!)
2. F....?
3. David Lee
4. Sam what's is name isn't bad either
5.
Your input...
It was a nightmare I tell ya. But it was also my first freediving suit. I think the neck issue might've been my hair - I measured under it. But alot was just technique. I use basically the same method I use with my 3 mil now - just a little more care with elbow leverage. Elios is right - the black shadow lining doesn't really need much lube at all.
Swim cap is a good idea.
INXS - what a great band!
Soaping up...er
Swim cap is a good idea.
INXS - what a great band!
Soaping up...er
Yup. Last year I had to leverage the whole rig by putting both arms through at once. Somehow I've worked it out now so I do it exactly the way elios recommends - head - one arm then the other. It's a mystery why it would work for me before - perhaps my head has shrunk.
When people ask me why I freedive vs. scuba, I give the following reasons:
- When Scuba diving, you rely on your equipment for air, and the equipment could fail at any moment, killing you (while freediving you don't rely on equipment for air, so this can't happen)
- In Scuba diving, if you follow your instincts, you die; your instinct in an emergency is to hold your breath and swim up as fast as possible, which kills you while scuba diving; in freediving, if you follow your instincts, you survive
- In freediving, you can stay down much longer than on scuba, and see more things, because you can accumulate WAY more bottom time during repeated dives
- In freediving you can swim much faster and cover a much larger area
- In freediving you can swim fast enough to play with seals/sea lions/otters
- In freediving you are more comfortable underwater because you aren't encumbered by so much gear
- In freediving you get to experience the extremely fun 'sinking' phase kind of like skydiving
- In freediving there is reduced risk of DCS (at least in moderate depths)
- In freediving there is no risk of embolism
- Freediving doesn't require expensive filling of tanks over and over
- Freediving doesn't risk contaminated tanks which can give you headaches or worse
- While freediving with friends, you can talk to each other about what you say, then dive again and go see again; while scuba diving you can't talk to your buddy in detail
- While freediving, during the dive itself (recreationally), you are down there alone, giving you a more profound solo experience where you can go where you want without worrying about where your buddy is at the same time
- Training for freediving makes you really healthy and sharpens your mind due to improved brain oxygenation (increased brain microcapillary density and widened carotid arteries, increased brain creatine phosphate & ATP)
- When Scuba diving, you rely on your equipment for air, and the equipment could fail at any moment, killing you (while freediving you don't rely on equipment for air, so this can't happen)
- In Scuba diving, if you follow your instincts, you die; your instinct in an emergency is to hold your breath and swim up as fast as possible, which kills you while scuba diving; in freediving, if you follow your instincts, you survive
- In freediving, you can stay down much longer than on scuba, and see more things, because you can accumulate WAY more bottom time during repeated dives
- In freediving you can swim much faster and cover a much larger area
- In freediving you can swim fast enough to play with seals/sea lions/otters
- In freediving you are more comfortable underwater because you aren't encumbered by so much gear
- In freediving you get to experience the extremely fun 'sinking' phase kind of like skydiving
- In freediving there is reduced risk of DCS (at least in moderate depths)
- In freediving there is no risk of embolism
- Freediving doesn't require expensive filling of tanks over and over
- Freediving doesn't risk contaminated tanks which can give you headaches or worse
- While freediving with friends, you can talk to each other about what you say, then dive again and go see again; while scuba diving you can't talk to your buddy in detail
- While freediving, during the dive itself (recreationally), you are down there alone, giving you a more profound solo experience where you can go where you want without worrying about where your buddy is at the same time
- Training for freediving makes you really healthy and sharpens your mind due to improved brain oxygenation (increased brain microcapillary density and widened carotid arteries, increased brain creatine phosphate & ATP)
Thankyou for summing it up! Useful ammunition for the next time someone says that freediving is dangerous and pointless and scuba is great. (I have nothing against scuba, but freediving is more my thing and I think it is a good and valid sport)
Less noise, way more intense.
I've been told i should use scuba when I'm taking pictures underwater, and maybe I will sometime.
But I think being between breaths is part of what's on the other side of the equation from the picture.
For the record - you cannot swim fast enough to catch salmon.
I've been told i should use scuba when I'm taking pictures underwater, and maybe I will sometime.
But I think being between breaths is part of what's on the other side of the equation from the picture.
For the record - you cannot swim fast enough to catch salmon.
Why Free dive?
From a practical point of view, its just a whole lot easier. Tank stuff is heavy, bulky and a lot of work to carry around, get serviced, etc. Having done a lot of tanking, after a while the work gets old. There are places that are not very conducive to freediving (for me) where the hassle would be worth it, but I choose to dive where freediving is good. Eric is right, more water time, see more, cover more ground, much easier.
There is also a deep emotional angle to diving that seems stronger when free diving, at least for me.
Connor
From a practical point of view, its just a whole lot easier. Tank stuff is heavy, bulky and a lot of work to carry around, get serviced, etc. Having done a lot of tanking, after a while the work gets old. There are places that are not very conducive to freediving (for me) where the hassle would be worth it, but I choose to dive where freediving is good. Eric is right, more water time, see more, cover more ground, much easier.
There is also a deep emotional angle to diving that seems stronger when free diving, at least for me.
Connor
Why Free dive?
To spearfish. Mainly. But it' great to leave the gun on the boat and just be free.
Also, when I bring home those lovely hard to shoot treats, cuddle fish, soldier fish, fat unicorn fish etc.,
I get really nice bed time treats.
To spearfish. Mainly. But it' great to leave the gun on the boat and just be free.
Also, when I bring home those lovely hard to shoot treats, cuddle fish, soldier fish, fat unicorn fish etc.,
I get really nice bed time treats.
Some people think that freediving is only about pain and fighting the urge to breathe. In fact it is possible to stay within comfortable limits and not suffer at all.
I don't think I am a masochist, though some things (getting into cold pools in winter, doing CO2 tables) make this questionable.
For me, the more important part of freediving is the satisfaction of doing what I aim for, and to try open water recreational diving one day.
I don't think I am a masochist, though some things (getting into cold pools in winter, doing CO2 tables) make this questionable.
For me, the more important part of freediving is the satisfaction of doing what I aim for, and to try open water recreational diving one day.
I just like being underwater.
I don't mind tanks - but it's a little like taking your cell phone along on vacation.
I don't mind tanks - but it's a little like taking your cell phone along on vacation.
Ooooookaaay - we've got hypoxyphilia, slippery substances, pearls, restrictive clothing, a distinctive jargon, altered states..... now, it's been many years since I was a student, but the first word that comes to mind is FETISH!!
No, wait, I'm sorry. That's not it at all. I mean ' et fish '. Mmmmmm....... f i s h .. . . .
No, wait, I'm sorry. That's not it at all. I mean ' et fish '. Mmmmmm....... f i s h .. . . .
Im not allowed to scuba dive anymore but apart from spearing, its just an easy way of getting in the water and having some fun, I suppose that the fishing is just an excuse to get in the water. What I do like is going on my own, I just love the solitude (not a recomendation before I get flamed )
)Cuddle fish? It's a big carp that wants a big hug.
http://hometown.aol.com/_ht_a/kmam1/MyPond/GiantGoldfish.html
Maybe I'm just being hopelessly naive about the whole freediving thing, and I have in fact joined a fetish club. Everyone else is just too embarrassed to explain things to the hapless innocent in their midst. :hmm
http://hometown.aol.com/_ht_a/kmam1/MyPond/GiantGoldfish.html
Maybe I'm just being hopelessly naive about the whole freediving thing, and I have in fact joined a fetish club. Everyone else is just too embarrassed to explain things to the hapless innocent in their midst. :hmm
*sticks fingers in ears* La-la-la-la-woman in water aren't really sexy-la-la-la-la-la-la-clingy wetsuits don't really flatter the female form-la-la-la-la
Oh come on - the intros to all those old Bond films, Fantastic Voyage (oh to be one of those 'antibodies' on Raquel Welch's suit LOL!) etc.
*ahem* http://www.specialfins.com/eng_products.php?product_id=113
Oh come on - the intros to all those old Bond films, Fantastic Voyage (oh to be one of those 'antibodies' on Raquel Welch's suit LOL!) etc.
Alison said:
*ahem* http://www.specialfins.com/eng_products.php?product_id=113