hunting in black sea

[vrokhlenko]

That is very very good news!
And I am really surprised - there are absolutely no Dentex on the Black sea coast.
I believe by Gorbil you mean the Sciaena umbra (Brown meagre) or Umbrina cirrosa (Shi drum) - both species are called the same way in Russian as far as I remember. We have the meagre but the drum is extremely rare.

Yes, it looks like it. There were 2 types, light and dark (in color). Dark ones supposedly grew to 40 kilos, but the largest I saw was about 5.
About 'zybarik' or dentex or sargus or sargo - the large ones would be in some isolated places, while the small ones would be very common. The largest one I saw was near the town of Sudak in the village called 'Noviy Svet'. But it was a while ago.

 

[vali]

ok!
i went to the sea last weekend [about 200 miles from my home-town]
this year was not so lucky...
the sea was verry foggy...maximum visibility about one and a half meters and some stream under water...
however i took 4 turbot....

one hour and a half in water
temp - 13 to 15 celsius [very warm for turbot style]
max depth 6 meters

getting out of the water

getting used with the land

ugly, but v tasty

 

[Old Man Dave]

Fantastic catch. Wish we had turbot hunting like that. I am suprised they are not fished out by commercial fishermen. That's what's happened here. What did the big one weigh.

Dave

 

[vali]

Fantastic catch. Wish we had turbot hunting like that. I am suprised they are not fished out by commercial fishermen. That's what's happened here. What did the big one weigh.

Dave

in fact they are fished by commercial purposes...with nets...
but this is also illegal in our waters...
despite that, the turkish fishermans come to our shores to fill their nets...there was many conflicts between them and the romanian coast-guards...
it is true that latelly, this kind of activities was very rare
the "big" turbot was 2,800 kg

 

[foxfish]

I would just love to catch a nice big turbot like yours while diving from the shore - well done:friday

 

[vali]

thanks mate!!

 

[podge]

Vali what a great thread, with some marvellous Turbot.
Well done mate, and keep it up.

 

[vali]

thanks mate!!!
i-ll keep up the good work!!

 

[vali]

...unfortunately, the next season for turbot will be in the next aprill...
until than, i will practice my freediving [wich helped me a lot lately in spearing], and i wil pas the scuba-diving rescue examination

 

[Dobs]

Hey, Vali, why do you only hunt for turbot? Here the spearfishing season has just started. There is a huge ammount of mullet travelling south-north right now and it is the best time of the year to shoot at moving targets

By the way I know very well what you mean about the Turkish poachers in your waters... It is the same here, with only one difference - we are closer to Turkey. They practically catch tones of turbot in our territorial waters every year. The coast guard catches one boat and then the next day there are two more in its place...

 

[vali]

yes
the mullet is in the move....i saw one mullet making a loop out of the water...
perhaps i will go hunt mullet, but i-m not so near the sea [300km] and i go when my time allow it

 

[hyeparis]

Hyeparis...
The "dogtooth" is actually a Dentex... For some 20 years of hunting on the Bulgarian Black Sea coast I have never seen a dentex. I'd be really surprised if they have them at the Crimea but who knows...

Bulgaria is not Ukraine so if the former doesn't have particular species along its coast doesn't mean the latter should not have it either. The Russian name for this fish is zubar, which, according to online dictionaries I use, is translated is dogsteeth (ихт., Dentex vulgaris).

 

[Dobs]

The English name of the fish you are talking about is Dentex - Dentex dentex, Common dentex : fisheries, aquaculture, gamefish
It will be extremely surprising if you have it in Ukraine, because according to Fishbase it lives exclusively in the Mediterranean. I would love to see a picture of a dentex caught in Black Sea. This will give me extra motivation to search for this prize trophy in Bulgaria also
As for Dogtooth, this is the common name of Dogtooth tuna - Gymnosarda unicolor, Dogtooth tuna : fisheries, gamefish
This is even less likely to be found in Ukraine

Cheers!

 

[hyeparis]

I repeat: the Russian name of this fish is zubar, which, according to the multitran.ru online dictionary I use, is translated is dogsteeth (Dentex vulgaris). Dentex vulgaris is the latin name for this fish, not English, acording to this online dictionary.
The English, according to the multitran.ru dictionary, is dogsteeth.
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Folks have been encountering and spearing this fish off the Black Sea coast of Ukraine for years, albeit it has been prohibited in some parts now to spear it. It is not a commonly found fish, but it is out there. If you want to look it up, type in зубарь Черное море in google.com (zubar, Black Sea) and you will come across a few threads of folks spearing in Black Sea, including the Ukrainian coast, on Russian-language forums. You will also see some of these threads mention that it is native to the Med, but found in the Black Sea too.
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Here is the entry on this fish at the Apox.ru spearfishing web site
http://rund.110mb.com/objects/morskie/zubar.shtml
here is a photo of a zubar speared by a guy and posted on the web site of spearos in Sebastopol, Crimea
http://s53.radikal.ru/i140/0902/0c/afc3cfaeb4b2.jpg
http://forum.sevastopol.info/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=127424 (In this post, he says he speared both a zubar and a "guest from the Med - dorado."

 

[Dobs]

I don't want to sound picky, but all the links you provided are just general scientific information saying that dentex (or dogsteeth according to your dictionary) can be encountered in the Black Sea, but no picture of a captured fish, neither by anglers, nor nets, let alone spearfishers.

The last picture: http://s53.radikal.ru/i140/0902/0c/afc3cfaeb4b2.jpg shows a Diplodus puntazzo or Sharpsnout seabream in English. This fish is very common on the Bulgarian Black Sea coast.
The smaller fish below is Sparus auratus or Gilthead seabream in English. It is also relatively common in our waters. I caught a 1 kg one last summer and have caught/missed several others. I have seen as big as 2 kg ones last year.

So my question remains open. If you ever encounter a picture of a dentex speared in the Black Sea please post it here.

 

[podge]

Black Bream and Gilt Head Bream, some of the finessed eating fish in the sea.
Nicely done Dobs.

 

[Dobs]

Thanks, Podge!
I recently learned that those fish you call Black Breams are relatively common in British waters too. A friend of mine showed some pictures with many of them speared. It was from a place called LittleHampton or something like that.

 

[vali]

dobs
the fish in the last picture you posted is a dorada!!!!
did u speared this dorada in the black sea?
if so, i must tell u that is the first dorada in the black sea i ever saw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dobs]

Hi Vali,
Yes, it is a dorada and I did spear it in the Black Sea
I have a couple of friends, who also speared doradas here. And I have seen them several times. They love deeep rocky places and if you are lucky enough you can see entire schoals of them. I saw as many as 20-30 fish once. I also missed a big one, probably around 2 kg, last summer.
The deep reefs in the Black Sea look very much like the Mediterranean. There you can see lots of brown meagres (corvina), breams (sargo) even salpa sometimes. But these places are rare in our waters and we like to keep them secret because they often hold huge seebasses too. On Sunday, my dive partner got a 9 kg sea bass at one of those places. On Saturday a 5 kg one.
In a few words, Black Sea is not that bad for spearfishing

 

[vali]

very good!!!!!!!!!!!
omg....doradas in black sea....!!!