less air, longer hold???? can this be right

[yoda turtle]

Hey Scott, great reply..I also like the mayol aproach and am gonna stick with it. we (thats my wife also) have been in to triathlons for a few years and you're right what you say about tha aero position.. i do the same thing but more at random when out on the bike. I suppose we will get an influx of warnings about he dangers of apnea on the bike now . Ok heres the safe version. I also train dynamic apnea on the bike..
10 mins warm up to around 60% Hr max then 8 sets of 20 seconds apnea in a high gear To simulate sprint with a Rest Interval of 1.45. spin in light gear and sit up out of aero to get max relaxation. on the rest I like to take long slow breaths (not very comfortable at first but it gets better). go easy on this set at first just so you can decide if its your thing. in the pool when I am not able to do dynamic apnea.... (no partner) I do hypoxic training from my swimclub days....zzz.100m front crawl breathing every 3 every strokes,100m breath on 5 strokes and 100m breath on every 7 strokes. Ido that through 3 times with 15 seconds rest interval between each 100m, start on reps of 50m If you can't make it and increase through 75m up to 100m. I use paddles to for a bit more fun. when you get good at it move up to breaths on 5,7,and 9. its a fairly standard swim drill in swim clubs and works a treat. I know exactly what you meen about the guys that don't train and even worse smoke too like my swim soach and training partner(swimming not freediving) he gets in the pool after a three month break for partying and general debauchery gives me a 50m advantage in a 200m fly race and then kicks my arse in to touch.. its just different for everybody :duhLet me know if you get any more training ideas.
have fun and be cool,
martin.

 

[yoda turtle]

wow!
Forgot to mention that the Bike apnea is done on a turbo Trainer.:naughty
sorry about that....

 

[Atlantis Fire]

Apnea walking is about the only dryland exercise I do, other than the tables. I know there's always the chance of blacking out while doing it, but I'm on a university campus and there's always tons of people around. Although it might be interesting explaining myself if I did pass out. Can imagine the responses? "You were doing what?!!!"

 

[yoda turtle]

Yeah, that would be a bit hard to explain and could get you a bit of a "strange guy" rep. Hey I took delivery of my new Mono fin today, have to wait till thursday to try it out. cant wait !!

 

[DiverTodd]

Apnea walking is a GREAT dry land exercise, I need to get back to doing them myself, now that the weather has warmed up here in Ohio. And enjoy your new mono, Turtle! What kind did you get? I have the "colored mono" from SpecialFins. Ok, I'm off to do my CO2 tolerance table....

Todd

 

[Jonta]

How long apnea walks is you guys max? Beacuase i hav done about 7 sessions of apnea walks and im up to 2:08 today. Im very new to freediving so is this good/bad? Im just curios.

 

[yoda turtle]

Hi Divertodd, the mono is from waterways its a "freediver nemo wing".

Jonta, at the moment I dont do walking apnea! I stick to apnea on the turbo trainer with the bike. 2:08 sounds good to me but remember like you I am just a "newbie" I am sure some of the experienced apneists out there on the forum can give you good advice. ok guys have fun and be cool.

 

[tbgsub]

Re: less air, longer hold???? can this be right (long reply, sorry)

JONTA and Others,
land dynamic and water dynamic times may vary greatly for a number of reasons.
Tension, familiarity with water submersion, pressure on the body that becomes a diuretic, blood pressure changes from pissing in your wetsuit as the skin pores dialate ect. and that is only the pool, which is still different form Oceanic freediving.

Open Ocean Dynamic is even more of a challenge unless you are familiar with bluewater diving, and it will affect your dynamic times simply from anxiety, which comes back to controlling heart rate with deep exhalation and gaining confidence in the area that you wish to excell in.

After 4-6 days of ocean diving with other people on a freediving outing I am sure much of your anxiety will wain till you approach your dynamic land times, but that is heavily dependent on your newfound comfort at depth, or your lack thereof, but that comfort could hardly compare to the comfort levels of people who spend every weekend in the ocean for 20+ years. (that is what I am up against with trying to extend my bottom times for spearfishing next to veterans who easily go to 80ft for a 3min total dive time)
These veterans arent in shape, they are overweight, and they drink and Smoke like Chimneys, and it is all I can do to stay fit and healthy enough to be submerged from 50-75ft for 2 mins. did I mention that the spearfishing locals only rest typically for 1 minute between dives and stay out for 5 hours at a time? I'm the kind of mind that the Surface interval (which is really importnat) should conservatively be twice the time (resting, evacuating CO2, and Slowly Breathing deeply to control heart rates) as your previous dive time. So 2mins down, 4 mins recuperate and relax, then 2 mins down ect.
In case you were wondering, yes there are stories of SWB among these guys, as well as Sambas, and many of them fish solitary without partners. (That screams crazy on many levels, Medically, Practically, lacking serious land training other than repeditive diving)but I still respect them for having accomplished this sport for more than 30 years (for some of them)

JONTA: I would say your land dynamic times for walking are fairly good. I have been thinking about the practical difference of a home treadmill or a trainer VS. Land Walking and Apnea bycicle riding. I think if you have a partner the safety issue is fairly moot if you alternate apneatic sessions with one another and keep and eye out for erratic behavior.

We spearfish similarly.

Recent true story where the buddy system paid off:

A very experienced Commercial spearfishermen (13 years commercial spearfishing experience) from Israel came out to Saipan, and visited Rota for a 3 day fishing trip. He was fishing with other accomblished veteran, and Medical Doctor who moved to Rota from South Africa (more than 15 years spearfishing e) when the Isralie gentleman shot a 40lb Barracuda at 60ft. It didnt stone the fish. The short version is His line looped around his ankle and the fish dragged him to 80ft in about 6 seconds. He attempted several times to undo the loop that had been tightened almost into a knot with the 40lb fighting fish.
He told me that when he loked up at his diving buddy, he looked like a spec and thats when he began to worry about getting back up. So he took off his fin to get the loop off, trying to get a finger between the loop of his line and his ankle. In the struggle he lost his fin and didnt get the loop off.

His dive buddy, the South African Spearo at the surface was attentive and saw him in need of assistance and dove down to 80ft to pull up on the angry fish side of the line, while they both swam to the surface with a fighting fish still on the line.
it was close to a 3 min dive under duress that must have felt like 20. Dave had his whole life flash in front of him. Both of these guys were heavily experienced, which is why it turned out that none of them blacked out or even Samba'd, which blows me away really, because panic thrown into the apnea dynamic activity adds a whole nother level (Barrel of Monkeys Actually!) of heart rate; one that is wildly out of control.

The reason I interjected with this story, is that I believe that experience helped these guys with their unplanned dynamic rescue activity more than training. I am sure that the Isralie guy was much more calm than I would have been under that circumstance. So I wouldnt rule out getting some comfort with the ocean prior to matching your land dynamic PB. If you take a freedive trip, plan for extra days of low effort apnea in your run up to pushing it just to get your sea mind in the right place.

Best of luck to you all, land trainers included.

TBGSUB

 

[DiverTodd]

2:08 is very good for a beginner, Jonta! But, are you doing a seated hold before you start walking? I follow a routine that was posted in an article on here last Summer; a set of 4 apnea walks. The first two have a seated hold of 30 secs before starting the walk, and the last two have a seated hold of 1 min before starting to walk. When I do them, I don't go by my time; rather, I go by the distance I was able to cover, using a steady, moderate pace, until I had to breathe.

Todd

 

[Jonta]

I dont do any seated hold. I just walk all the time in a nice pace.
First i do a 30sek then, 45,1:00,1:15,1:30 then a max.

 

[tbgsub]

that sounds nice, I like the "nice place" walking, now you just need a nice person to do it with and you wont look so wierd apnea walking by yourself. LOL!!!

actually it sounds like a good work out, I am going to try that more often. thanks JONTA!

(crossing thread/Forum subjects from the "David Blain again?" thread); Maby David Blains next big trick should be walking 2 miles on a single oxygen breath hold!!! thus claiming to easily beat the world record for apnea walking backward and blindfolded! I just want to see him pass out without some professional apnea pro, or body guard to rescue him from colliding with old Terra Firma like a guy who clearly doesnt quite understand Physiologic science very well. "When a science is mis understood, you can usually rely on some branch of physics to harshly and naturally correct any mis understandings." "sometimes it takes idiots out of the gene pool, and sometimes they Evolve." TBGSUB

sorry I was jumping threads but it seemed appropriate to link them.

later!

TBGSUB.

 

[Jonta]

nice pace not place. My enlish it not good but i think pace =speed walking speed.
So by saying nice pace i mean at a comfortabel speed. I guess i have to improve at enlish but im just 15 years old and i only speak enlish at school. I did 2:15 yesturday

 

[tbgsub]

nice pace not place. My enlish it not good but i think pace =speed walking speed.
So by saying nice pace i mean at a comfortabel speed. I guess i have to improve at enlish but im just 15 years old and i only speak enlish at school. I did 2:15 yesturday

HA HA HA! ok sorry,

Maby I misread your post as well, good ruck on your engrish, young JEDI.rofl

keep in mind that your time, whatever it is above ground is going to be different from the underwater, especially at depth, and please be safe with a buddy if you ever practice in a pool. (I think I mean cautious, careful, ect. hate to sound like a dad, because I am not one, but pool apnea especially solitary, has produced many dead people in the world):naughty

Ok that said enjoy the apnea walks, you could also try kissing your boyfriend/girlfriend (your probably thinking EEW YUCK!:yack arent you?) for 2:15 without breathing, that is always nice dynamic practice with a bonus!!:inlove LOL!rofl. ok maby I am outta line for saying that but its all in fun right? I bet you break 3 minutes on your first try without even thinking! J/K

good luck to you Jonta, and welcome to a world of silent anticipation for either the world above or another breath of fresh air. you are starting off well with a "nice pace" line of thinking. and dont worry your english is just fine, I am sure it will improve by the time you are 17.

by the way at 15 yo, your dynamic times are really good, keep up the good progress and maby you can beat david blains world record, ooh wait he never set one in his life did he?, guess he is discounted, mabe he should try your apnea walking program.rofl

take it easy, and best of luck in your endeavors.

TBGSUB.

 

[tuffstuff]

its probably due to the fact that not being totally inflated is more comfortable.Than being totally full of air.

 

[alexrom1207]

Yeah Jonta...both your english and your statics are absolutely terrible. I'm sure that most people on this site when they were 15 spoke much better swedish than you do english and also could apnea walk for 5min or more. LOL I wish I started when I was as young as you are...by the time your 20 you'll probably have amazing statistics and you'll speak English better than most Americans. LOL

 

[tbgsub]

I'll second the comfort part,
and tell JONTA, I wish I had started as young as you, I'm actuallyu jealous, best of luck, and be safe.

TBGSUB.

 

[Jonta]

Yeah Jonta...both your english and your statics are absolutely terrible. I'm sure that most people on this site when they were 15 spoke much better swedish than you do english and also could apnea walk for 5min or more. LOL I wish I started when I was as young as you are...by the time your 20 you'll probably have amazing statistics and you'll speak English better than most Americans. LOL

The times in this tread isent statics they are walking apnea times my static pb is 4`00min.

 

[alexrom1207]

lol 4 min is my goal for this season...and I'll be 24 when I get there. By the way I hope that my sarcasm in that previous post breached the language barrier and you understood that I was joking. :friday

 

[tbgsub]

sometimes I read my previous posts and wonder If I am over the top with my comments as well, Prolly sound like I am full of hot air, but actually it is CO2 that I am verbally exhaling! LOL!!

TBGSUB

 

[okamotoa]

hey guys lots a great advice so il ask here but already started a thread but nobody replied and almost 150 views....

so im 18 in decent shape i run 5:30 mile times running between 1-8 miles 3-5 times a week(anything over 2 miles i run at 6:00 pace) my old pr or pb which ever u like is around 2:30(dont remember) last season. and this year i started doing dry warm ups so im in shape but i get contractions so bad right on the 1:00 mark every time they start i look and i had just hit 1 min.... i managed 1:30 2 day but still a long ways from my past and i was layin down i took my rest and tried again i know i was almost there but i blacked out layin down....so that was it for to day an got on here to look up advice and found this...

i do know heart rate and metabolism play a part in this and i also know mine r both really high...