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new OMER pneumatic!!!

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Neither I believe in miracles. But I believe that out of little improvements on a number of little, apparently minimal details, you may get a major general improvement out of any mechanism. Reducing attrition (piston drag) can do much, for example.
 
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"Blue printing" is a term used to perfect a racing motor, a standard motor is taken apart & rebuilt to a higher standard & minute tolerances - maybe Omer has simply redesigned a system to maximise its potential by building the components to a higher standard?
A "blue printed" motor can produce 20% more power!
However 4 mt range @ 14 bar is a very impressive figure but why use 24 bar as in the other vid?
I dont what to be speculative because I really what this gun to be GREAT - especially if I can fit a dry barrel system as well? :confused:
 
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Fox, do a thing: invest 300 euro and buy it. Then if you don't like it, I'll buy your used one for half price....For me it's a good deal rofl
 
OK, one step at a time - find me a price delivered to Guernsey first? (in £ please:D)
 
Aye, spaghetti, the I'll trade you my little Riffe for it - a gen-u-ine 'merican speargun. I'll even autograph it.
 
Aye, spaghetti, the I'll trade you my little Riffe for it - a gen-u-ine 'merican speargun. I'll even autograph it.
anthen you can visit me in Miami, and I'll..............

anyways comparitively speaking the gun seems more hydrodynamic than the cyranos, the handle is off the chain I like it 100x more than my cyr., the trig is more inline with the barrel than the cyr.,from what i've been told it loads much easier than the cyranos and the air chamber does not run into the trig mech (or something like that) hence it is less likely to leak around the handle area...I liked this gun from the moment I saw it, and still do, seems like it should be around for quite some time...I feel comfortable talking about the Omer as both my cyranos are tucked away and sound asleep- for nowrofl
 
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The angled muzzle ports may be allowing better water outflow from the barrel, however they are quite big on the Cyrano, so not much in it I would have thought. Shooting line can have a big effect if it is low drag, also the Airbalete spear has a low profile at the tip.
 
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What is the actual piston travel distance in Airbalete 90? I think only this could make significant difference in performance at same pressure, same piston diameter, same shaft mass. 20 % longer piston travel could give 9,5% greater shaft speed. I suppose the shaft speed could be about 25 m/s at 14 bars and 35 m/s at 30 bars. I would prefer to see video from the left or right side of the shooting line, not behind the hunter.
 
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OK, one step at a time - find me a price delivered to Guernsey first? (in £ please:D)

Jersey shop says £265, due to arrive 8th May.

What worries me is the previous mention of the Airbalette 2. Have I missed an explanation of the difference? Spending nigh on £300 now then finding out there's a dry barrel version next year would be a little bit annoying :vangry
 
Personally havent heardanything about an Airballette 2 coming, eventually yes same as anything products evolve e.g . Cayman HF and HF2 but havent heard anything through the grape vine on my end yet.

hopefully they are in the shipment ofproducts we just landed from OMER italy in Melbourne which means my 110 will be here by Friday along with my Cayman HF 130.

lots of testing to be done.... poor fish.
 
Hi there Mark, nice to see you on board!
Do you think it's worth (and do you know if it's possible) to fit one of those barrel seal kits on it, such as Mamba, Kara-Yo and similar?
(frankly speaking, if the 90 shoots straight from 4 meters with only 14 bar pressure, I think it's not necessary to add any more power to it. But the forum is full of Mamba enthusiasts and this is a recurrent question).QUOTE]

Hi Spaghetti & crew,

I've gota say I never thought in my best hopes for the AIRbaletes would we be selling as many as we are in this economy. That's proof to me that despite the resistance for such a new revolutionary product people don't care and are throwing down for something better than the status quo pneumatic.

A couple misconceptions to clear up first though before I go on my infomercial rant about why this is the best pneumatic speargun currently on the market;)

AIRbalete 2 / Super AIRbalete , I don't know of anything in the pipeline and usually I would know, they spent 3 years developing the AIRbalete and it's here to stay in current form. The only thing they were talking about doing is eventually teaming up with the Mamba kit maker to sell it as an add on option for the gun, but given the fact that it really doesn't need it or benefit it in its current form, I don't have any updates on that development either.

Let me tell you about the tangible differences between this gun that are immediately apparent even to a novice user:

-A 90cm AIRbalete is still considered a muscle powered speargun and for all intents and purposes is shorter than the overall size of a 65cm band gun with the shaft. For this alone the range and power is remarcable.

-At 12-14 bar you can load it with your bare hand wearing a glove or even w/o a glove (not recommended) much less the standard pneumatic loader.

Why does it have more range, it's just physics right.

As someone justly pointed out the improvement and refinement of several small pneumatic speargun features contributes to an appreciable difference in overall performance over a standard stock pneumatic. Here are a few I can remember off the top of my head:
-11mm diameter inner piston chamber. Yes Mares Patented this clever reduction of internal chamber volume sometime around '92 and it allows for the same pressure of a larger 13mm inner chamber piston with a lower volume of air to displace therefore easier to load. BTW from what my sources told me, and it's possible I could be wrong, Mares simply could not patent a measurement just like a bicycle manufacturer could not take out a patent on 20" wheels for example is my understanding. I wasn't told it was 11,02. Omer's improvement in the piston region of the AIRbalete, uses silicone rather than rubber o-rings which last longer and create less friction on the chamber wall for loading and during the firing phase. This results in less loading effort and more than a 10% increase in piston velocity in their tests. In addition some Teflon seals and some ceramic slide ring on the piston also helps achieve this purpose.

-Marco Mariani is the genius in Omer (I've been working with him for years and the guy could teach physics and metallurgy classes at Harvard:)) showed me another clever feature that my spear fisherman's noggin wouldn't have thought of before. Once you pull the trigger there are three airways making their way into the passage that shoves air into the back of the piston from the main cylinder/outer wall of the gun. This by comparison to one hole used in stock pneumatic maximizes air flow suddenly to the piston and makes it easier to load more easily displacing the air back into the outer chamber from the piston tube. Apparently this was a modification employed by some pneumatic fanatics before so it is not an entirely new untested concept. A lot of times in Omer a true and tried speargun modification gets noticed and considered for production status.

- There is no air pressure locked inside of the entire handle and less on the trigger pin and consequently trigger, which in most all pneumatics consists of a trigger pin connected to the trigger using the internal volume in the handle to capture it. This is always sealed in with an O-ring around the trigger pin. Once the o-ring wears and ages with time and dry rots the guns start leaking and that's what happens to a lot of conventional pneumatics and another scapegoat for their bad rap, seen it and worked on them for years personally. Also consider there is no internal high/low power reducer in the AIRbalete that sacrifices a portion of barrel volume typically in pneumatics. The reduces is simply a plastic cover over the alloy muzzle that can be manually turned to cover the piston port holes.
The AIRbalete uses a push rod system pushing the pressurized firing pin from the main chamber (the barrel) that lowers the ratio of the pressure load on the push rod-trigger and consequently the trigger pull is considerably less than it is in a standard pneumatic not only because of a better engineered push rod but also thanks to small touches like a special low friction coating applied to the stainless steel sear.

I think I just listed 5 improvements, 11mm chamber Vs 13, specialized low friction o-rings and low friction piston, more air dump holes in the piston chamber, trigger mechanism not effected by barrel pressure thanks to push rod design, low friction coated finish on sear for the trigger mechanism release. Wait, I forgot to mention there's no OIL required to lubricate the piston through the stroke each time, and I think that's the definition of the pneumatic air/oil concept! A very nice white teflon greece with an exponentially longer lifespan than oil is applied to the internals of each airbalete.

-Even more importantly in practical aiming terms the AIRbalete design aligns the handle and centers it with the piston chamber making aiming second nature similar to band guns, a conundrum that pneumatic guns have never resolved and that's led to their defunctness so to speak the last decade or so.

Sorry for taking so much bandwidth. If you're not bored yet reading this maybe you're a true speargun nut but you'd have to be to truly appreciate a high performance speargun like this that has a lot of thought put into it. I started with a pneumatic speargun and pneumatic guns are now exciting again. Clear waters,

ps- Spaghetti I dove with Andrea Calvino (from the U tube video) in the Florida Keys in March and he's not only the Omer poster boy but a darn good diver who is as much at home in 15' of water as in 100' in the Atlantic. Truly a great diver and hunter.
pps- I don't recommend don't buy this for your first pneumatic/airgun. I suggest a divers should familiarize themself and learn on a normal $150-200 more standard pneumatic so you can understand the concept and appreciate the differences later.
 
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Is the new "Airbalete" gun a floater after the shot, with or without the reel attached?
All today's Italian "Sten" type pneumatic spearguns float like corks on the surface without a reel attached to them. Originally the rear grip handles contained a buoyancy chamber as they had a sealed butt plate fixed with a screw or bolt onto the hollow handle. This feature disappeared some decades ago, probably because the guns floated just as well without it, except for the very short barrel models like the "Miniministen" and the "Cyrano 550".
A flooding rear grip handle may make the gun a tail-sitter on the bottom unless there is enough counter-acting buoyancy elsewhere in the gun. So far I have not seen any report on the floating characteristics of the "Airbalete" gun, but anyone shooting one in a pool should know the answer to that question by now.
 
Nobody answered to me so I have to ask again:
What is the actual piston travel distance in Airbalete 90?
 
Is the new "Airbalete" gun a floater after the shot, with or without the reel attached?

the gun is balanced near neutral and overall very well for a pneumatic and is considerably positive w/o the shaft. The Hydroformed shaped "bulbous bow" aides the balance in the front end, an area typically wrist heavy in most air guns.

What is the actual piston travel distance in Airbalete 90?

The shafts available for the 80cm model are either -78.5cm -83.6cm for the 90 -89cm and 93.6cm If you take into account the overhang in the gun and that the spear stops well before the handle the guns pack a lot of punch for their small size. More clearly put, the piston travel distance is only a portion of the shaft length, and I don't know the exact measurement per gun.
 
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Ha Ha - I reckon there will be few guns for sale now that we have a few more details, the gun sounds great.
 
Fondueset,

What are you shooting over there that you need another gun? rofl

If my ankle doesn't get better pretty soon I'll swap you a brand new Hyperfin for a new gun. :crutch

Is 80cm the shortest length this gun comes in? I couldn't tell what the sizes were from the OMER site.

Jon
 
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