I’ve found my Vuotos to be extremely accurate when hunting but I’ve never shot it in a pool so don’t ‘really’ know if it’s ‘off’ or not.
Think I’d be a bit wary personally of shooting targets in case I dent my confidence with it. Im so confident with the Vuoto s and very rarely miss anything with it but I bet unexpected results on targets in the pool could change all that!
Really interesting to hear how the power compares to the C4. I run my Vuoto 100 & darkside 115 @20 bar and have often wondered how the power compares to high power band guns.
Hopefully you get this issue resolved - looking forward to seeing more of the test results/conclusions.
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I hear you. I had very good mileage fish wise on my most recent long Mirage - and I don't wanna test it and upset myself, haha.
Even if I wanted to, there's some very practical issues with pool testing for me. Spearguns live in a grey area in terms of legislation in China but it's much less hassle when with a local. So, this latest pool test was with a local friend in his city where he used his network to get us some pool time. But... he's about 1300km from me;-(.
I shot both left and a bit low. My friend shot mostly left and not so low with the same gun. My theory is that I think when people shoot their bandguns they tend to aim a bit high naturally. Like lining up the top of a loading pad (which often sits higher than the track) with the tip of the spear. I speculate that my friend aimed a bit high from habit.
On airguns it feels more natural to aim along the top of the barrel. So, I think the low shooting might be a mix of some natural shaft drop and the rest might be from muzzle whip. At least I think I see 1-2 inches of rise right about the time the shaft is just about to leave the muzzle.
If I had to hazard a guess as to the cause of the rise, I'd say it's a mix of the increasingly buoyant gun-sans-shaft rising and the recoil forcing the muzzle up.
Comparing our handles to modern guns like Pathos, C4, Abellan, etc our handles actually sit quite low. It's less of an issue because we have way less recoil, but I think it's definitely still there.
And since we are talking recoil, it's now clear to me that - in bandguns - a large part of that is from the bands themselves. When my friend first shot my Mirage 125 in Indonesia he literally thought he hadn't fired it (he shot a three-banded Abellan on that trip). In the pool, we definitely felt it had less recoil than the double-banded 100-120 guns we also shot.
Left shooting could come from the handle moving in the hand during the shot. To rule out a bent shaft, I shot it both flopper up and flopper down and no change. I even shot the shaft without shooting line and the result was the same. When I shot the gun with two hands, I had less left shift. As I mentioned, the Salvi grip doesn't fit me well, with quite a gap high up. I feel, even when gripping it tight, that it can move quite easily.
I'll be customizing my handle and lifting it as high as I can on my next gun.
As for size, a 130 is about the length of a 115-120 bandgun (or a 110 Abellan).
(From the top; Denton 110, Rob Allen 120, Predathor 130, EPS 115).
We shot that 120 Rob Allen, too. Penetration wise against the airgun at 20 bar, not even a contest. If I get the left shift dialed out of the 130, I don't see much that can touch it in the same size. That said, it needs to go up against a perfectly tuned Denton 110 or a pimped Pathos. That would be an interesting shoot-out.
Video also showed three wraps of mono coming off the release without a hitch and, of course, no "band tangles". It may not sound like much but it's not that rare an occurrence on bandguns and oftentimes the spearo probably doesn't even realize why the shot was off.
Loading the long 130 you may ask...? I'm tiny at 1.70m and it's a non issue.
In lieu of recent discussions; extended loaders can be as simple as this;
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