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Sea Angling for Spearos

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Bass caught on S. Coast

BASS BACK!!!
Looks like Mike Ladle & friends have managed to catch a few Bass already down in Dorset: Mike Ladle's Fishing Diary

LINE
My new reel had too much braid on which showed up as knots after a few test casts. So I have taken all the line off, shortened the thick mono-backing & re-load the braid back on the spool. There was room left, so I added leader of 10lb mono. I was hoping braid would allow me to use just one line but we'll see how it works out.

ROD
I find my 10ft Shakespeare Royalty spinning rod is very "tip heavy" (although feather light). Is this normal with carbon rods? Not a big deal but I find it a little inconvenient & annoying. With old reel mounts, I would simply move the reel down the handle to help restore some balance - but these modern fuji clamp mounts mean you are stuck with the factory position (which would be fine if they were well placed). The problem is significant with my BIG reel but even worse with the small one. I'm wondering if a shorter rod (7.5-9ft) might suit me better. Anybody tried Veal's Mike Ladle rods?

Harpune1, yes, I am coming to the conclusion that a Stradic GTM 4000 ("Like Mike's") might be the best bet next time round.
 
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i got a new spinning rod from tempest last year, ony nine foot but it is very light and is rated to cast up to 3 ounces but i have not cast that, think its a bit over rated on casting weight but casts upto 2 ounces nicely had a fair few bass and pollack on it last year.

heard those mike ladle spinning rods are supposed to be very good.
 
Threw a surface popper plug out for an hour yesterday. Perfect conditions but not a touch. That's my fourth session this year. Score so far; 2 bass landed, 1 returned and 1 kept, 2 more hooked but threw the hooks, 2 strikes with fish breaking the surface but not hooked and 1 guillimot released. However that was from the first 2 sessions. The last 2 sessions have been total blanks. Water looked clearer yesterday. Hmmm... gonna polish my spear tonight :t .

Dave
 
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Guillemot:

You often see them mooching about, had one follow a plug once but never hooked one!
 

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Mine grabbed the plug just sub surface 20 yards out and gave a strange underwater fight before spitting the plug just as i lifted it out. Quite pleased it was okay and i didn't have to handle it. Have caught seaguls and cornerants (shags) but this was my first guillimot.

Dave
 
Whilst carp fishing I have had the misfortune to have caught a variety of tufted ducks and coots, all of which used to dive on our carefully placed baits - really annoying when you've spent half the morning trying to cast a bait into a hole in the weed at 90 yards. My friend did catch a coipu in the middle of the night, when we were in France. Not easy to get the hook out of either!
 
I like to keep things simple when it comes to line fishing, Ive got a 4m okuma graphite rod with a penn reel, which Ive had for ages. Went to a club away weekend this one past and seein that the sea wasnt very diveable on our first few days there decided to cast out some red bait and see what comes from it. On my first cast I picked up a nice sized fish but unfortunately never landed it cause the lead got stuck behind a reef and after that had 3 breakoffs so went back to the camp site to wait for diveable waters. Sunday it arrived, went out to sea and got 2 parrot fish above 1.4kgs, a red roman of about 1.8kgs, a bream of 1.2kgs and the highlight of my spearing career thus far a garrick of 3.8kgs :) . Think Ill stick to spearing till the winter is in full swing...
 
CHEAP FISHING TACKLE AGAIN... LIDL
Lidl Online
You can't beat Lidls annual fishing tackle sale!
Good man! I missed that. Some different products this year too. Those handlines look interesting, I've seen something similar selling for 2-3x the price in seaside stores.
 
Just got back from E. Devon - v. pleasant & great exercise but no fish worth spearing seen. Not a bite from the kayak handlines or rod. BUT did catch a 10cm minnow/sprat with a new 10cm X-Rap lure from the beach!!! Foul hooked:(. It was the same size as the lure with similar colouring. It swam off when returned -- it later occurred to me that it probably would have made good live bait. An inauspicious start to the season.
 
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I bought some lures from the States recently, mostly used. From discussions, the seller knew what I was interested in and surprised me by including a couple of extra lures for no charge. They were beaten up but exactly what I had been looking for, large (11cm) "Rattlin Chug Bug" poppers in bass-friendly silver-grey. A quick touch up with black artist's acrylic paint & a coat of acrylic varnish and they were "good to go".

Although I have a few other poppers, I think these are better. I thought I had bite first time I used it, because it really does act like a distressed fish at the surface and the silver grey added realism. I didn't get any bites though when I first tried them yesterday (for 45 minutes after spearing, while my churning stomach settled, before the arduous walk back) -- so we'll see. I didn't bother rock hopping to where I know there are fish, I just cast out into the open waters to try things out.

I also tried my homemade hybrid lure, made from the front half of a jointed 13cm storm lure (which broke on pebbles) and the back end of a cheap Eddystone eel copy (which are too soft at the front* and so don't move as convincingly as the real deal). The movement of the hybrid looks good to me, quite convincing, although the joint needs a bit of attention as it occassionally locked. (I just noticed this morning that the blue & white eel tail glows green in the dark:D).

Just don't seem to get enough time/opportunity to fish with the rod. As I got back to the car I met a couple of young anglers planning to fish a different area nearby. As I left though, I noticed they headed off towards the area I had dived, rather than their original intended destination :D, I hope they weren't disappointed.

*I see that Mike Ladle glues his eels to the hook - must give that a try.
 

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Hiya

Redbait (Pyura stolonifera) is a type of sea squirt (Ascidian). It looks sort of like a large potato, brown, with two syphons on the top. They are filter feeders that normally attached themselves either to rocks (rock-redbait) or to sand (sand-redbait) The rock redbait, once cut open, is bright orange where-as the sand red-bait is a pale yellow colour. Rock redbait can normally only be cut on a spring low tide and sand redbait is normally picked up on the beach after a big storm, or you buy it from the boats, who drag treble hooks over the bottom to hook the redbait.

Fresh redbait is a very, very good bait for reef fish. One exception is our national fish, the Galgoen. They prefer MATURE redbait. This is normally sand redbait, which is cut and put into a bucket, then left for at LEAST two weeks, to ferment. Galgoen go CRAZY for this stuff!!!

Word of caution though, the pong emanating from the bucket of fermented redbait will cause the whole neighborhood to complain. Not even mentioning the fact that the smell won't wash off your hands for a good few days!!rofl Washing your hands with vanilla essence does help, but not that muchrofl
 

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Yuk! I read somewhere than you should always use fresh bait but a friend told me his brother caught his best bass (12 or 14lb I think) on some stinky, rank old bait because he didn't have time to get fresh.

Makes sense to me. Animals in the wild (and domestic dogs) love rotten carrion -- it's probably smellier, tastier (like hung pheasant or mature cheese) and easier to digest (as the bacteria are already breaking it down).

By the way, anybody heard of Winner's paste? A friend swears by it for course fishing ("...the fish cannot resist it."). I wondered if it can be used for sea fishing. Apparently it comes as a powder which you mix into a stiff paste. [Probably *not* this stuff: http://store.allvet.org/winnerspaste.html].
 
Chest Waders

It has been pointed out to me that chest waders are near-essential kit for bass plugging in the UK. I suppose, to get out past the weed and gunge that often occupy the first few feet of the shore & deal with moderate surf in the colder early hours of the day. I hadn't really noticed a need until this week - perhaps because I often fish immediately after spearing, wearing my wetsuit (when cold) or shorts (when warm), so wading has not been a problem. Soaking the salt out 2 pairs of shoes this morning, I was beginning to see the point.

Anybody care to provide advice/thoughts/recommendations/alternatives? I'm told Dunlop Ocean/Oceanic(?) do the job well for about £70 (the price of a speargun :(), probably these ones: https://www.veals.co.uk/acatalog/Waders.html
I also see this prominantly on the web: Chest Waders - Aquarius Waders
Lidls were selling some brown ones a month ago for about £40 with their seasonal fishing stuff.
 
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What makes a good Sea fishing lure?

Discussing lures recently made me realise that there characteristics which are particularly useful for sea fishing from the shore but not all lures have them. Lures don't have to be perfect - people catch on all sorts of things - but finding a lure which are good in several regards might mean that it covers more conditions effectively and so you don't need as many lures & you don't need to change it as often (so your lure spends more time in the water attracting fish).

Useful characteristics include:

- "cast-ability", the ability to cast far & with out excessive tumbling & self-hooking (e.g. when the lures hooks catch the line or stick in the lures body, as my YoZuri Crystal minnow has started doing!:head). This could allow you to cover a significantly larger area with the same number of casts and help you get over weed, gunge, rocks and boulders.

- snag-avoidance (weedy/rocky areas - like where bass are often found). To reduce lure losses and gunged and fouled hooks.

- attraction - appearance & movement. For example, looking like normal prey, something good to eat or being easy to see/feel. Attracting fish from a larger surrounding area by appearance (bright flashing blade, light, illuminous, bright colour) and/or movement (vibrating spinner blade, jointed injured fish action, angler-imparted action - like jerkbaits, oscillating tails like artificial eels).

For ease of casting, having a fair amount of weight, 18g-60g / 0.5-2oz, seems like a good starting point. Some lures, including some large Rapala floating lures are incredibly light, sometimes 10g or less. Rubber eels usually need additional weight (e.g. a bored bullet/barrel 3-5 ft up line or small weight hidden inside). The moving weight systems used in some modern lures are also intended to improve casting by reducing tumbling and therefore tangling. Slimmer shapes and more dense construction could also help reduce wind-resistance.

For snag-avoidance, diving top-water floating lures offer realistic action in the shallow waters often fished from the shore. Stopping such a lure allows it to float back to the surface & potentially over weed. Floating poppers stay on the surface and can often be used when even shallow divers are snagging weed. However, as mentioned above, some floating lures are quite light which can reduce casting distance (although I have some poppers that will cast as far as any lure).

Another approach is to use lures with fewer hooks. Several modern lures & spinners use a single hook, often up-turned, sometimes shielded by a "skirt", to reduce snagging; some vintage Rapala spoons do likewise (...as the old adage says "ain't nothing new under the sun"). These include some novel spinners, artifical eels (e.g. Eddystone & Delta) & new gel fish lures. Some are quite heavy and so can be cast & used to fish deeper, for example Bass bandits and many of the new & weighted gel fish lures.

For attraction, movement seems to be a winning strategy with Eddystone eels tails and Mepps-style bladed spinners being a proven fish attractors, that don't require good visibility (but it might help). Floating divers (like the popular jointed Rapala) seem to have a lower-key natural movement without too much angler induced effort. Watching videos of some US jerkbaits suggests anglers can impart very realistic movement into otherwise uninteresting lures. Poppers create commotion, like an injured or distressed fish gulping at the surface, intended to entice aggressive predators.

Colour is much debated but perhaps it is less critical than it might seem at first. It comes down to regional and personal preferences. For example blue-silver & grey-silver are popular UK for the bass but hi-viz yellow & orange is reputed effective in a recent article on Portland fishing. Chartreuse is another classic lure colour, surely anglers and interior designers are the only people to know about such colours:D. Red-head/white body seems very popular in tropical climates like SA (especially judging by the shark-eaten red-tipped white kayak image posted a while back!). Some people are very keen on the gold/bronze/brown version of the Rapalas. Black is currently enjoying some popularity, the idea being that it helps present a clear fish-shaped silhouette to predators. Some say fish see red as black too (due to filtering of red light by the sea and perhaps the way fish see?). Silver, grey-silver & blue-silver are my personal favourites at the moment, because they look like the baitfish I see swimming around (& because I and others have caught fish on them). Bright silver flashing is a well known attractor of many/most predators, some will reputedly even take a shiny unadorned hook. I've noticed that a couple of lures (a cheap glittery blue & white artificial eel & a premium Marie Angel Kiss top water lure) had, unadvertised, illuminous/phosphorescent/"glow-in-the-dark" colouring on their bellies - which showed up glowing green in dim lighting (surprise!).

A possible downside to using realistic colours & patterns is that real fish have evolved with a fair amount of natural camoflage, so their tops are often dark, their sides reflective silver and their underside light coloured - making them harder to see! No doubt predators have had to evolve to deal with that. (They say human eye-sight has very good colour separation of greens -- one of the reasons for switching from red/orange to yellow-green as safety colours).

Shape is something that bothers me about some lures. Most of the poppers, especially the less expensive ones are short and fat. For large pelagic fish it might not matter. However, the bait fish I see while swimming the UK shore are long and slim; some are very long and slim (e.g. sandeels). However, Veals offer some "pencil" thin Diawa poppers which have a good reputation for catching. Articificial eels and weighted eels, like bass bandits seem targeted to fill this gap. Rapala offer a great looking long thin jointed lure, the Saltwater Sliver, in
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- unfortunately it is intended for trolling, it is expensive (I have seen them selling for £9-£17/$18-$34) but perhaps most importantly, it is fitted with a deep diving lip unsuitable for most shore fishing (but... ). (Anybody had success using stubby lures?)

Although, I get the impression that some anglers (Mike Ladle springs to mind) would catch fish on a hook with a blade of thick grass doubled and larks-footed onto it (a simple native lure used by Amazonian tribesmen).:D Knowing where, how & when to go are probably more important.
 
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Crumbs I never knew fishing could be so complicated; I just use a blue 11cm chug bug to catch my fair share of bass, exploring all those wonderful bass'y spots :)

Which lure do you find is your best bass catcher Mr X?
 
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