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South Devon 2015

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Went fishing ( rod and line ) at Hopes nose this morning and the weather was great , 2 big seals and a pod of dolphins were performing a few hundred yards away , and plenty of mackerel about ,and the vis looked good 4-5 metres ... happy days !! Hope to go S Hams way soonish , when swell drops off and vis improves ...any updates on vis would be great ... Terry...
 
I F C A ( Devon and Severn )..... last year I saw a proposal of new regulations in relation to shell fish catches by diving ... with or without SCUBA ..Whereby it was proposed that a licence would be required to land any shellfish , does anyone know if this is now in force ? and has anyone obtained a permit ? I have not seen any notices informing of this but I have seen jobs advertised for IFCA staff and they are expected to cover days ( and nights ) in pursuit of their duties enforcing fishing laws .. Terry..
 
Terry think it is in force for scallops etc. if your on facebook check out baz drysdale from brixham dive shack. Trawl back a few weeks on his pages he put up the new regulations or simply ask him to put up again. Really nice guy and he also puts up daily updates and photos of viz off of the breakwater on uk viz reports. Lee
 
Actually I just looked up on IFCA site and all details are there now ... I looked earlier in the year but nothing new then .. it is for ALL shellfish ...lobsters , crabs ( brown and spider ) and scallops .. has anyone got a licence yet ? .. £20 ..
 
Sorry for the long post but here is the new legislation for Devon and Severn IFCA:

Devon and Severn diving permit byelaw

Devon and Severn IFCA: Diving Permit Bye-law

BSAC and SAA have been requested to make their members aware of a byelaw that has recently been advertised by the Devon and Severn Inshore Fisheries and Conservation Authority.

If confirmed by the Minister the Bye-law will be in force from 1st March 2015.



In summary the Byelaw states that:

Divers may not remove any crab, lobsters or scallops from any fishery within the Authority’s district otherwise in accordance with a permit issued by the Authority. Any of the above found on a vessel within the district whilst persons are engaged in diving will be deemed to have been removed from a fishery within the district.

Permits can be issued to individual divers; the permit will cost £20 and last for up to two years. Individuals are limited to 2 lobsters, 2 crabs and 15 scallops per day and these must be for personal consumption. Previously a leisure diver would not have been able to retain any scallop during the months of July, August and September under the inherited Byelaw but can now catch up to 15 scallops per day all year round.

The purpose of the Byelaw is stated to be for the following reasons:

  • Permit schemes help the Authority understand the level of catching across both commercial and leisure activities by requiring permit holders to provide catch data as a condition of use of the permit.
  • It enables the Authority to establish direct communication with individuals from an important sector providing an opportunity for divers and the Authority to become better informed about issues that would be of direct or indirect interest to both.
  • One of the guiding principles of the Authority’s review is to create a culture where by the selling of fish from unlicensed activity is not acceptable.
Full details of the Byelaw and impact assessment can be found on the Devon and Severn IFCA website

Response from the BSAC and SAA

BSAC (and the SAA) broadly supports the inclusion of diver based harvesting within the sustainable fishery management policies of local fishery regulators like the IFCAs and are pleased that divers are being seen as stakeholders in the management of our commercial populations.

In additional we do not condone the illegal selling of shellfish by recreational divers.

At this point there are some issues that we would wish to bring to the attention of the IFCA as part of the consultation process:

Q: What are the plans to enforce this bye-law? As one of the aims is to provide greater levels of data with respect to levels of diver take it would be unfortunate if increased regulation led to the a greater level of concealment of the practice.

A: The Authority operates a risk based approach to enforcement. The byelaw is designed, in part, to make enforcement of the management measures more effective. Using information provided by divers or members of the public (an out office number is available 07740 175479 to report any suspicious fishing activity) the Authority will undertake planned enforcement operations.

From the responses that we have received the Authority believe that most divers will actively support the Authority’s approach and will wish to support the Authority’s management by providing accurate catch data and habitat information.

Q: What plans do the IFCA have to engage with BSAC and SAA to communicate with divers during the roll out of the permit programme and also to present the outcomes of the data collection exercise in the future?

A: As mentioned above the permit system will create the opportunity to communicate directly with divers actively diving in the Authority’s district. The Authority can use this link to provide divers with survey data and future management proposals and receive divers’ views and feedback.

We will be present at the International Shipwreck Conference in Plymouth on 7th February 2015. We will also be presenting at the Plymouth Sound Dive Club in Plymouth on 2nd February 2015. In addition, we will be looking to provide dive shops in the district with leaflets informing divers of the new legislation and information about the Authority.

Q: The process of applying for a permit is likely to discourage divers from participating. Have the IFCA considered management through diver education and personal limits as described applying to all divers. Divers could then be encouraged to submit information about their take.

A: We will be looking to make the permit application process easier in the future and accept that it is not at present as straight forward as other schemes. ( EA Freshwater rod licences). For the duration of the Byelaw, in its current form ( must be reviewed at least every five years), the cost of the permit is set at a relatively modest level and can be valid for up to two years. The cost of the permit should therefore not be a factor in a diver’s consideration on whether to apply for a permit or not.

Applying management through a code of conduct was considered but it was felt that it would not achieve the same outcomes delivered through a permitting byelaw.

Communication links would be more difficult to establish with individual divers. A code of conduct approach would not dissuade some divers to refrain from their current catching practices which are in conflict with the Authority’s opinion of what a recreational activity should be.

The Authority is unlikely to be able to determine the level of shellfish activity undertaken by divers through a voluntary approach.

Q: The current restrictions on taking scallops during summer months is in line with the Marine Conservation Society recommendations that we should avoid eating scallops caught between April-September due to the breeding season of scallops. Allowing divers to remove scallops during this period seems contradictory in terms of maintaining the fishery stocks, although commendable in terms of allowing access to divers.

A: The summer closure in July, August and September of the scallop fisheries in the entire district will continue for the commercial sector to support the protection of the scallop stocks during the spawning period. Indeed the previous derogation for vessel trawling to land up to 120 scallops per day has been revoked. The protection of the stock needs to be balanced with the needs of the different user groups and it is likely that most leisure divers will dive mainly during the summer months and taking scallops at this time might represent their only real opportunity to do so. If the catch limit is set at a low enough level the impact on the stocks, even at a very local level, should be acceptable. The catch limits and seasonal closures are both applied through the permit conditions and can be changed following evidence gathering and consultation.

Any divers wishing to comment on the Bye-law or having further questions should either contact the Devon and Severn Inshore Fisheries and Conservation Authority directly or forward their thought to the BSAC Environmental Group (environment@bsac.com ) who will provide further comment to the IFCA as necessary.
 
Same ol problem. Whoever writes the regulations makes it quite clear in the context of 'vessel'.
 
Got my permit. First dive in ages yesterday evening. Vis in Torbay was 4-5m. Got in just after 8 and managed a 40cm bass before the sun went down. I then spent my time trying to get value for money from my permit but the crabs (spider and brown) were all just a bit too small to bother with. Surprise of the night was swimming round a boulder and coming face to face with a seal resting on the bottom. My first night time seal encounter.
 
We had a good dive yesterday evening near Plymouth. Flat sea with a bit of ground swell. The wind picked up a bit near the end if the dive. Viz near the beach was poor with mixed up weed, but over the rocks was 4-6m. Lots about, mostly bass and flatfish. We took six bass between us and a lobster. We saw some big flounder but left them for another time. Water temp was 11-12 degrees.
 

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3-4m vis just outside of teignmouth this morning. More sand eels than I've ever seen in my life. It was insane! Saw a big school of baby bass going for the sand eels. All very small unfortunately. Cool nonetheless. Took mullet home for bbqing.
 
Went in S Hams today , went to a few spots by kayak , lovely conditions , 6-8 metres vis , no bass seen , not many spiders either for this location , ended up in a deep water spot just after high tide in a fair bit of current and got a couple of 2lb pollack but was being followed /harassed by a couple of seals , all in all a good day out ....
 
Went in last night very slight easterly had affected viz. 3m murky to less than a metre. Came out with two bass nothing huge and 4 flounder, two were of good size. One of them just touching 3lb, well chuffed. Trying to upload photo but for some reason it not having it.
 

Would you give me any tips on finding flounder? I've tried and tried. Looked all over the sandy spots from shallow upto around 8m (ish). I've been looking for eyes in the sand. Is this the best way? Or do they all come out at night for a massive flat fish party where you can spear as many as you like?
 
Don't think there is any real secret. I look for sandy come shingle areas and around the edge of reefs or through gullies. The areas I dive only occasionally throw up a decent size. Took two of mine in the shallows with the other two in about 5m. Nick Collins (shiny) has always posted quality flatties, I'm sure he'd give you some advice on here. PM him for tips.
Might head South hams tonight cams look good, any viz updates anyone please.
 
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I catch a fair plaice fishing on the Skerries so don't often target them however I've had my best success with flounder and plaice in the South Hams estuaries and on the edges of some of the South Hams beaches. They can be well camouflaged but not too difficult to see in my opinion.

I took my one year old to a spot in Torbay on Saturday and thought I'd take the spearfishing gear along for good measure. With grandma looking after the wee man I had a half hour curfew in the water and with decent 4m viz managed to shoot a mullet and a couple of bass, the best of the two just over 4lb. Second trip and first fish of the year so happy with that.
 

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