Speargun Help!!

[Pastor]

I would think about getting say 18mm bands on it. You can double wrap The effective range will be about 4m which is less than a double wrap but longer than a single. You may want to think about getting a reel too in the not to distant future, useful if a fish holes up. I like that you're thinking about not injuring fish, tis a good attitude to take

 

[foxfish]

theykilledkenny, are air guns difficult to get or restricted or something because I was not joking about getting a mamba?
A 115 asso with mamba kit will have loads more power than a 110 band gun & although it might seem confusing would actually be shorter as well!
If you are concerned about power then have a search though the forums to find out more info on Mamba air guns. If you are adamant about a band gun then go for a 100, a 110 is an unwieldy animal with a kick like a mule.

 

[MARMIR]

.....Just have a look at SEATEC TORNADO 100, 7mm shaft, 3 bands gun....it's famous for being powerful ,accurate and manoeuvrable...if you think is too much just remove one band and set up for a 6.5 shaft, accuracy remains....

 

[spaghetti]

You keep saying the Gabbiano is the most accurate gun, yet youre not buing it:head:head cant fiugure it out...
A friend of mine bought the xxv gold recently and i loved that muzzle, i see a cayman HF2 in my future ..what you said is great, i dont like camo and i dont like reels so its even better then what i expected..my birthday is in February..I love presents Hint HINT!!! rofl

Well Marwan, I have a Gabbiano 77 and a Gabbiano 120, and still I'm considering to buy the 90...how many should I buy to convince you that I really like them?
Back to the initial question: +1 in favour of the 100 for Theykilledkenny. It's more versatile and easier to handle than a 110, much more than the difference of "just" 10 centimeters could make you think.

 

[Marwan]

on my 100 i use a slightly different setup then the original..i use a 6.75 mm shaft instead of the 6.5mm.....i also use 18mm bands instead of the 16mm bands

 

[strangelove]

Dude stick with the 100 it will be a better gun for you. You can shoot very big fish with a 100 I know at least one member who shot a 35KG fish with a 90

Pastor he is in Lebanon, the water is very clear over there, perhaps the 110 could be a good choice. But will also depend on the fishing if he is fishing to holes, the 100 is better but for open water may be 110.

BTW my favorite size gun is the 100 as well but the water in Brazil is not as clear as in Lebanon.

Just something else to complicate things !

 

[Pastor]

I hope this is taken the right way, I certainly mean nothing by it.

The fact that theykilledkenny had to ask the question suggests that he hasn't all that much experience otherwise he would know what would be the gun of choice. Going on that as well as knowing what others use I think that would be the most sensible choice for its versatility and also being a little more user friendly and one that will help him progress faster. Admittedly that's a big assumption on my part but the fact that Marwan and Spaghetti agree (both being med hunters) makes me feel a little better about it.

I thought you were in Alaska BTW

 

[glowworm]

I must mention the Dessault Quattro both in carbone and aluminium both with built in rails and very very accurate....My carbone stopped a 4kg bass dead with a well amied shot to the back of the head this year...I have also seen pictures of 35kg AJ's caught with these guns as well.

 

[theykilledkenny]

seems like majority says 100 would be better, so a 100 it will be...

marwan: bands?? the guns here all come with one band, the cayman has one 18 mm i think.

should i change it and put 2 16mm rubbers??

foxfish: i didn think you were serious... but sounds very interesting! first: i have to scrape together every penny so how much does a mamba kit+ that gun cost together?? and i have no idea if mamba kits are even available here, and ive never seen someone use a pneumatic here either...

so what do you all use on your 100 guns...what band(s) and one or 2 wraps?? does anyone here use a half wrap??

pastor: yup, i HATE it when a fish gets away after being shot, its only happened to me about 4 times in my short spearfishing life, and twice i swam after the fish and eventually caught them, once by hand, once with a second shot. i felt like crap last week when i took a shot at my first grouper and it got away. i removed the double wrap from my 75 now.

oh, and when you say 4 m range, what kind of power/penetration does the shaft have by then? enough for a nice dorado/bonito?? or only a small mullet?

 

[spaghetti]

seems like majority says 100 would be better, so a 100 it will be...

so what do you all use on your 100 guns...what band(s) and one or 2 wraps?? does anyone here use a half wrap??

pastor: yup, i HATE it when a fish gets away after being shot, its only happened to me about 4 times in my short spearfishing life, and twice i swam after the fish and eventually caught them, once by hand, once with a second shot. i felt like crap last week when i took a shot at my first grouper and it got away. i removed the double wrap from my 75 now.

- Put a reel on your 100: that's fundamental for many good reasons. My 100 is rigged with one loop of line (wich means 3x the shaft length) and a reel, which is the standard (or at least the most popular) rigging chosen by mediterranean spearos.
- To drop the rsk of loosing wounded fish: 1) use a reel 2) always keep your shaft super sharp 3)if possible, don't shoot fish in the belly (soft meat)
- The shaft/band combo is personal preference: Marwan and I have the same gun (Omer Excalibur Carbon 100) but the set up is different: he uses 18mm bands with extra thick 6,75 shaft, I use 17,5mm bands with extra slim 6,25 mm shaft. It depends on personal preference, average size of fish target, fashion of the moment. The important is to keep a balance: for instance, don't combine extra thick bands with extra slim shaft (loss of accuracy), or viceversa extra slim bands with extra thick shaft (loss of power).

 

[theykilledkenny]

so 2, 18 mm bands??

what if i just kept the single band the gun comes with??isnt that a huge difference between one, and 2 18 mm bands?? or do you mean you generally use these bandS but only one BAND on a speargun at a time??
i excuse myself for my stupidity :head:head

 

[Mr. X]

For the 110 I think I would still have picked the HF but for the smaller guns I think I would go with the carbon.

Why so Stranglove? [I've always thought carbon would be a good idea for a long gun - 120cm plus, where it should offer a significant weight/inertia advantage (esp. out of the water). On the other hand more mass would reduce recoil.]

 

[Pastor]

One set of bands is plenty mate, if you use 2 the shaft will look like an eel leaving the gun (wobbling all over). Over powering a gun is the worst thing you can do

 

[spaghetti]

Sure, keep it as it comes from the factory. You won't need to double the power. Go simple. Simple is effective.

 

[Mr. X]

... You may want to think about getting a reel too in the not to distant future, useful if a fish holes up....

Pastor, do you use a reel in the UK? I was offered a 70cm carbon railgun with a reel - I thought it was probably unsuitable/unnecessary for the UK (it was also extremely expensive - well beyond my budget). But perhaps the thinking is that a 70cm gun would be used for caves & holes where a reel would be recommended? (I was thinking of using it mainly for poor vis. conditions, which I often encounter, although the thought of a trip to Bognor - which has a reef with holes I believe - did occur to me).

 

[Pastor]

No, I use a PVC float line clipped onto my gun most of the time and that's enough line in the water for me. There aren't many holes up here, the geology I guess so hole hunting isn't high on our day to day priorities but I've often wondered myself if a reel would be a good idea on a short gun. The though of leaving a gun floating on the shooting line in bad vis worries me too hence the float line. A lot of the fish here are deep in the kelp so that's where I spend a bit of time, constantly getting the fish wrapped up in the stuff.

 

[spaghetti]

I see that nobody uses a reel in the Uk and I think it's moslty because of the type of fish you hunt: bass and mullett don't have a particularily strong reaction when shot in open water, and they rarely tend to hole up. For me a reel helps also with bass and mullet when big, but for you it's probably not worth the extra hassle and I understand that you have your good reasons to think it's unnecessary.
In the Mediterranean we must use a reel bacause of the type of fish. Hunting dentex and bluefish without a reel would be like trying to have a sexual intercourse with a wild cat while your hands are strapped behind your back: not impossible but very difficult.

 

[Pastor]

rofl rofl what ever's your thing mate rofl

I think I should drown myself with a reel, I am bad enough with my mono shooting line rofl

 

[Old Man Dave]

sexual intercourse with a wild cat while your hands are strapped behind your back: not impossible but very difficult.

Personel experience?

Dave

 

[spaghetti]

Personel experience?

Dave

Only in my dreams...(and now: do you still wish I come over to Guernsey? rofl)

hm hmm..Now, back to spearguns....